Locherbie RIP

[dan-cat]

On the other hand, you have the fact that anyone who's lost a child (for example) due to a speeding motorist would be glad to hear that these laws are being enforced.

I understand your point and I think a way should be found to deter everyone regardless of their status.

However I just don't attribute our local authorities with the self-control to remain unprejudiced both in and outside of the courthouse with such a system.

 

[Alc]

The fuzz have long memories, anyway they'd be far better engaged on solving real crime, I long ago gave up reporting thefts from my property, half the time they didn't turn up and when they did all they issued was a crime ref!

I know what you mean.

At one point, my Dad's car was stolen seven times in three weeks and we were burgled every time I went on holiday for a year or two (including when my parents were still home). It had to be sorted out privately, after the police didn't achieve much.

I'd like to see them move on to solving 'real' crimes, but I still think that anyone who knowingly breaks the law should get punished for it.

 

[Rich]

I know what you mean.

At one point, my Dad's car was stolen seven times in three weeks and we were burgled every time I went on holiday for a year or two (including when my parents were still home). It had to be sorted out privately, after the police didn't achieve much.

I'd like to see them move on to solving 'real' crimes, but I still think that anyone who knowingly breaks the law should get punished for it.

But there are far too many laws here now and so many of them are downright bloody stupid, and every day some bloody think tank or other is calling for yet more!

 

[Alc]

But there are far too many laws here now and so many of them are downright bloody stupid, and every day some bloody think tank or other is calling for yet more!

I do get the impression that, since I left the country, a lot more regulations have been brought in needlessly.

One I never understood was making people wear crash helmets on motorbikes. Seatbelts in cars, yes. If there are other people in the car, your body bouncing around at speed, in an accident, could do them harm. But crash helmets? If someon's dull enough to not want to wear one, let them. The only person getting hurt will be them.

 

[Rich]

I do get the impression that, since I left the country, a lot more regulations have been brought in needlessly.

One I never understood was making people wear crash helmets on motorbikes. Seatbelts in cars, yes. If there are other people in the car, your body bouncing around at speed, in an accident, could do them harm. But crash helmets? If someon's dull enough to not want to wear one, let them. The only person getting hurt will be them.

Of course if you're a Sikh you don't have to wear a hemet

 

[Alc]

Of course if you're a Sikh you don't have to wear a hemet

Yeah, forgot about them.
So, they don't have to wear one for religious reasons, one presumes? (I can see how it would be impractical to fit one over a turban).

I believe in [whichever god it is?], So I don't have to wear a helmet.

Isn't that discriminatory against atheists?

 

[Rich]

Yeah, forgot about them.
So, they don't have to wear one for religious reasons, one presumes? (I can see how it would be impractical to fit one over a turban).

I believe in [whichever god it is?], So I don't have to wear a helmet.

Isn't that discriminatory against atheists?

Yes and the discrimination has been tested and dismissed by the courts here

 

[Alc]

Yes and the discrimination has been tested and dismissed by the courts here

Well that's one problem solved, then.
In order for that to be true, presumably the courts proved that one system of beliefs is correct, while others aren't?

 

[Adam Caramon]

But crash helmets? If someon's dull enough to not want to wear one, let them. The only person getting hurt will be them.

I'm not sure how it works across the pond, but in the USA I know one of the contributing factors is the cost. If someone is not wearing a helmet and gets seriously injured, if they don't have insurance or their insurance does not cover auto accidents, then the injured person goes through an emergency room and the cost for their care is passed on to the taxpayers. So in order to minimize the cost to the state, the state mandates that everyone wears protective headgear.

 

[Alc]

I'm not sure how it works across the pond, but in the USA I know one of the contributing factors is the cost. If someone is not wearing a helmet and gets seriously injured, if they don't have insurance or their insurance does not cover auto accidents, then the injured person goes through an emergency room and the cost for their care is passed on to the taxpayers. So in order to minimize the cost to the state, the state mandates that everyone wears protective headgear.

I have heard that as an argument, as pretty much everyone injured will be treatd at an NHS hospital, but it falls down on allowing Sikhs to not wear one. Do they have tougher heads or are they cheaper to fix?

 

[Adam Caramon]

I have heard that as an argument, as pretty much everyone injured will be treatd at an NHS hospital, but it falls down on allowing Sikhs to not wear one. Do they have tougher heads or are they cheaper to fix?

Not sure exactly. I know over here we have Freedom of Religion. So if a religion has as its requirement to wear something on their head which would prevent them from wearing a helmet, then I suppose the state allows them to forgo the helmet since the Constitution rates higher than expenses to the state.

Though, interesting and somewhat related, in my home state of Michigan, our courts just ruled that judges are allowed to have Muslim women remove their head wear so a judge can see their faces. Of course, lawsuits are now flying back and forth, so we'll see.

 

[oumahexi]

I know exacty what you mean, but if the law exists why shouldn't it be enforced?

I agree, yet I've never seen or heard of anyone being done for driving while speaking on a mobile (without hands free).

I speed occasionally, I don't know anyone who doesn't.

I don't. I know what the speed limit is and stick to it, it's either there for my benefit or the benefit of pedestrians. I couldn't live with myself if I killed someone because of my driving!

We have cops in our town passing out tickets for moped riders with no licenses instead of tracking down meth brewers.

Of course they should be dealt with too, but there are different departments in law enforcement, you won't find a DEO issuing a speeding fine.

On the one hand, you have the question of whether or not police should spend their time on more serious crimes and ignore minor ones.

On the other hand, you have the fact that anyone who's lost a child (for example) due to a speeding motorist would be glad to hear that these laws are being enforced.

What he said

The fuzz have long memories, anyway they'd be far better engaged on solving real crime, I long ago gave up reporting thefts from my property, half the time they didn't turn up and when they did all they issued was a crime ref!

Like any other government department, they're pretty stretched and probably have a process to go through, tick boxes, make sure you can claim your insurance...

But there are far too many laws here now and so many of them are downright bloody stupid, and every day some bloody think tank or other is calling for yet more!

And I just want one itsy bitsy abholished

 

[oumahexi]

Yeah, forgot about them.
So, they don't have to wear one for religious reasons, one presumes? (I can see how it would be impractical to fit one over a turban).

Why not design one to look like a turban?

I believe in [whichever god it is?], So I don't have to wear a helmet.

Isn't that discriminatory against atheists?

That would be Ala, who is, incidently, the same God that Christians believe in, who is the same Got that Jews believe in, they all just worship and ritual differently, believe in more profits with each new religion, like the LDS.

Anyway, yes, it is discriminatory against the rest of us, regardless or religion. If they are in our country they should be living with our laws. If I were in their country I would expect to wear a scarf over my head.

 

[Rich]

Why not design one to look like a turban?

 

[Brianwarnock]

OK I give in and admit to being old and slow but how does one get multiple quotes into a response like what Ouma did.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

I agree, yet I've never seen or heard of anyone being done for driving while speaking on a mobile (without hands free).

I don't. I know what the speed limit is and stick to it, it's either there for my benefit or the benefit of pedestrians. I couldn't live with myself if I killed someone because of my driving!

My daughter was done, she was stuck in a traffic jam, hadn't moved for 40 minutes and was unlikely to move any time soon, a fact admitted by the plod, but her engine was running so she was technically driving. No doubt if she had switched her engine off she would have been done on a parking charge.

The speed limit is an arbitary figure not the safe figure so don't kid yourself that if you are driving at the speed limit you are driving safely.

Brian

 

[Rabbie]

The fuzz have long memories, anyway they'd be far better engaged on solving real crime, I long ago gave up reporting thefts from my property, half the time they didn't turn up and when they did all they issued was a crime ref!

Can be tricky getting a payment from your insurance company without a crime ref

 

[Adam Caramon]

That would be Ala, who is, incidently, the same God that Christians believe in, who is the same Got that Jews believe in, they all just worship and ritual differently, believe in more profits with each new religion, like the LDS.

That is quite possibly the most appropriate typo I have seen in my lifetime.

OK I give in and admit to being old and slow but how does one get multiple quotes into a response like what Ouma did.

Brian

You type:
[quote=Namehere]
text
[/quote]

[quote=2ndNameHere]
text2
[/quote]


And so on

 

[oumahexi]

OK I give in and admit to being old and slow but how does one get multiple quotes into a response like what Ouma did.

Brian

You can use Adam's way, but remember to add the quote number, for example the one I am replying to is Brianwarnock;881793, this means you need to remember the numbers for each quote, or you can do it the easy way and use cut and paste - answer a quote, cut your answer with the quote, move to the next one, paste it in...

 

[Brianwarnock]

You can use Adam's way, but remember to add the quote number, for example the one I am replying to is Brianwarnock;881793, this means you need to remember the numbers for each quote, or you can do it the easy way and use cut and paste - answer a quote, cut your answer with the quote, move to the next one, paste it in...

And here was I thinking that there was a magic solution without all that copy and pasting, , Ah well! thanks to you and Adam for your replies.

Brian