Anniversaries, 09/11 and Hurricane Ike (1 Viewer)

[ColinEssex]

Also the article talked about those who were injured during the rescue efforts and not only those who died, those with respiratory problems, etc...

It seems in the USA, you only have to break a fingernail and you get compo. If you´re a soldier and get a scratch you get a sparkly medal.

I´d love shares in the company that makes purple hearts (that´s the medal, not the drug)

Col

 

[Kryst51]

It seems in the USA, you only have to break a fingernail and you get compo. If you´re a soldier and get a scratch you get a sparkly medal.

I´d love shares in the company that makes purple hearts (that´s the medal, not the drug)

Col

Can you teach me how to get comp for a broken fingernail? Because I could surely take advantage of that.....

 

[ColinEssex]

Can you teach me how to get comp for a broken fingernail? Because I could surely take advantage of that.....

Claim from the government, or the military.

Col

 

[Kryst51]

Claim from the government, or the military.

Col

Thank you oh wise one that clears it up for me.

 

[ColinEssex]

Thank you oh wise one that clears it up for me.

You´re more than welcome.

Col

 

[TessB]

Ever seen the film "Fahrenheit 9/11"? - If not I suggest you do, you may learn something, of course you´ll disbelieve it all as most Yankees do on this forum.

Col

I've seen that. I've watch several of Michael Moore's films.
Sicko and Bowling for Columbine as well.

Although I have heard that Mr. Moore can use information to skew actual facts. However, I have no personal knowledge of anything.

For instance, as a young girl, my Sunday school teacher told me there was a God. My father told me there was not. I still have no concrete evidence to side with either my Sunday school teach or my father.

So here is the question. How do you know who to believe? How can you tell a good source from a bad source?

 

[MSAccessRookie]

Nice one - that made me laugh.

Ever seen the film "Fahrenheit 9/11"? - If not I suggest you do, you may learn something, of course you´ll disbelieve it all as most Yankees do on this forum.

Col

And I would further suggest that anyone who has seen the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 go to a Web Browser and search for "Fahrenheit 9/11 Errors". There are literally Dozens of authors that point out intentional errors in the film. While they may not all agree as to exactly how many there are, it is very clear that the number is at least 55 and could be much higher. I am sure that some people will Pooh Pooh the idea as biased against the movie in some way, but I am hoping that people who do not already have an opinion will be eilling to take a look.

By the way, I have seen the movie, and it is neither a fair nor an accurate portrayal of the events. Everything that can be is intentionally portrayed to with a bias against the government and people of the USA. Feel free not to believe, but if you are not willing to read the rebuttals that I have referred to, then you will remain among the uninformed.

 

[Vassago]

And I would further suggest that anyone who has seen the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 go to a Web Browser and search for "Fahrenheit 9/11 Errors". There are literally Dozens of authors that point out intentional errors in the film. While they may not all agree as to exactly how many there are, it is very clear that the number is at least 55 and could be much higher. I am sure that some people will Pooh Pooh the idea as biased against the movie in some way, but I am hoping that people who do not already have an opinion will be eilling to take a look.

By the way, I have seen the movie, and it is neither a fair nor an accurate portrayal of the events. Everything that can be is intentionally portrayed to with a bias against the government and people of the USA. Feel free not to believe, but if you are not willing to read the rebuttals that I have referred to, then you will remain among the uninformed.

There's just as many rebuttals against the bible and everything it entails for people that are unbiased and openminded enough to read them.

I have seen the movie and thought it was very good. It shows a very narrow point of view that is obviously anti-government, but it really dives into what drives that point of view and why people feel the way they do. I enjoyed it. That movie alone should contradict your own feelings about all Americans being ignorant, Col.

 

[MSAccessRookie]

There's just as many rebuttals against the bible and everything it entails for people that are unbiased and openminded enough to read them.

I have seen the movie and thought it was very good. It shows a very narrow point of view that is obviously anti-government, but it really dives into what drives that point of view and why people feel the way they do. I enjoyed it. That movie alone should contradict your own feelings about all Americans being ignorant, Col.

Take time to read some of the posts regarding the errors. There is one that points out 56 errors, over half of which were blatent and intentional. While I agree that the movie was entertaining to some degree, it should not be viewed as an representation of Fact.

 

[TessB]

There's just as many rebuttals against the bible and everything it entails for people that are unbiased and openminded enough to read them.

That was rather the point of my post.
You have people all around you telling you different things.
Who do you believe?
And why do you choose to believe them?

If you do not have first hand, direct knowledge of something, you have no choice but to try and discern, from all the cacaphony of voices spewing information, what is the truth. I don't know about anyone else, but I find it nearly impossible to do so with any true certainty.

And if you are taught, from the time you were a child, to believe in something, what would cause you to disbelieve it? Changing people's belief system is almost impossible. Understanding it is easier. You don't have to agree with it. But you can respect where it came from. (yes, yes, I know.... dangling participle. It should be "from whence it came" or something. But that would make me sound fairily snobbish, would it not?)

 

[Rich]

I've seen that. I've watch several of Michael Moore's films.
Sicko and Bowling for Columbine as well.

Although I have heard that Mr. Moore can use information to skew actual facts. However, I have no personal knowledge of anything.

For instance, as a young girl, my Sunday school teacher told me there was a God. My father told me there was not. I still have no concrete evidence to side with either my Sunday school teach or my father.

So here is the question. How do you know who to believe? How can you tell a good source from a bad source?

Your dad was obviously a very wise man, I know which one I'd rather trust

 

[Groundrush]

For instance, as a young girl, my Sunday school teacher told me there was a God. My father told me there was not. I still have no concrete evidence to side with either my Sunday school teach or my father.

I find that interesting to see that your father sent you to Sunday school but did not believe in God.
I'm in a similar situation now where I was brought up as a Christian and like yourselves went to Sunday school and all that but as I grew up I began to change my believes & now I'm not religious at all

The thing is I would like my little boy to go to Sunday school even though my religious believes have changed. Not to confuse the poor kid but mainly because I think Sunday school is good for teaching good family values, manners, respect etc.

 

[Rich]

I find that interesting to see that your father sent you to Sunday school but did not believe in God.
I'm in a similar situation now where I was brought up as a Christian and like yourselves went to Sunday school and all that but as I grew up I began to change my believes & now I'm not religious at all

The thing is I would like my little boy to go to Sunday school even though my religious believes have changed. Not to confuse the poor kid but mainly because I think Sunday school is good for teaching good family values, manners, respect etc.

It would depend on which faith "school" they're sent to

 

[TessB]

I find that interesting to see that your father sent you to Sunday school but did not believe in God.
I'm in a similar situation now where I was brought up as a Christian and like yourselves went to Sunday school and all that but as I grew up I began to change my believes & now I'm not religious at all

The thing is I would like my little boy to go to Sunday school even though my religious believes have changed. Not to confuse the poor kid but mainly because I think Sunday school is good for teaching good family values, manners, respect etc.

My father did not send me to church. I'm a joiner. lol.
I grew up in a small town and quite honestly, it was just something to do. There were people there and I like to be around people. Although I am not at all athletic, when I was in middle school, I joined the basketball team, (they let me keep score) the floor hockey team (they let me announce the players), the volleyball team (they let me actually play there), took part in every school play and chorus, volunteered to spend an hour a week with the lunch ladies washing lunch trays, signed up to be the librarian's assistant, and volunteered as a "buddy" to the mentally challenged class on campus. Church was just another opportunity to be part of something. Thankfully, the school system and the church had a great bus program. My parents said I could do anything I wanted to as long as it didn't cost them any money and they didn't have to bring me anywhere. That's the only reason I wasn't in band. (Musical instruments cost money)

 

[statsman]

Everytime Colin gets on his high horse and start talking about the American soldiers who died in Vietnam, Iran, Iraq and other places I can't help thinking about the thousands of red-coated soldiers who died in:
North America to maintain a monopoly on the fur trade
Asia to maintain a monopoly on opium
Africa to keep other countries out
Australia to kill aboriginals so that sheep herding could become profitable.
I'm certain that the number of innocents killed in these campaigns rivals any that America may have inflicted.
It took Britan 300 years to discover that they could not change the world before they finally gave up.
Let's hope America can learn the lesson quicker.

As to the World Trade Centre, those families who lost loved ones and hired lawyers to sue settled for millions of dollars. Those that didn't settled for much less.

 

[Rich]

At least we didn't pretend to be "liberating" those countries, although in the end of course we did along with freedom and education etc., etc..........

 

[Brianwarnock]

It took Britan 300 years to discover that they could not change the world before they finally gave up.

I wont bother with the other rediculous statements but this one is so daft it displays this persons total ignorance of history, of course Britain changed the world, usually for the better, though the European carve up of Africa is still leaving a legacy of problems, perhaps if we had indulged in the genocidal approach as the US did then things would have been ok.

Brian

 

[dan-cat]

I wont bother with the other rediculous statements but this one is so daft it displays this persons total ignorance of history, of course Britain changed the world, usually for the better, though the European carve up of Africa is still leaving a legacy of problems, perhaps if we had indulged in the genocidal approach as the US did then things would have been ok.

Brian

Trying to paint the policies of the British empire as altruistic is pretty weak, IMHO.

The British along with the Dutch and Spanish fully indulged in the trans-Atlantic slave trade of the 1700's.
The tax policies of the Raj helped to kill millions in India via famine.

You may retort with the US slave trade continuing long after the British equivalent but may I remind you that, that policy as much of America's, was INHERITED from British policy. It took a civil war at a cost of much human life to dispense with it.

I know that I'll get the predictable response that the US far outscores the British in the tyranny charts. But that's not what I'm contesting. Just the suggestion that the British Empire barely caused any discomfort to the common man.

 

[Adam Caramon]

I wont bother with the other rediculous statements but this one is so daft it displays this persons total ignorance of history, of course Britain changed the world, usually for the better, though the European carve up of Africa is still leaving a legacy of problems, perhaps if we had indulged in the genocidal approach as the US did then things would have been ok.

That's a beast of a run-on sentence there Brian.

It is interesting that you think Britan changed the world for the better. I know that there are many countries that would disagree. I seem to remember reading an article just recently out of Kenya where the government there is demanding Britan pay them for all the damages, murders, etc that were part of that country's history.

I also have no doubt that some Americans truly believe that we are changing Iraq and Afghanistan for the better.

In my opinion, Britan, through history, has tried to dominate and subjugate many countries in the world. In doing so they forced these other countries to change and adopt British laws, rules, culture, etc.

It may be 'better' for Britan, America, and other English speaking countries that these subjugated countries speak English, have legal systems very similar to ours, etc. However, I can't imagine that those countries put to the sword would have agreed at the time that it was for the better. Some may now, after many years of indoctrination to the British way of life.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Interesting that Adam chooses Kenya for his example when I had already accepted that the European carve up of Africa had left problems, hardly worth entering into a discussion with people who do not correctly acknowledge what has been written.

FWIW Slavery has existed since the beginning of time, Britain was the first country to abolish it.
The american civil war was about power, the slavery issue was an excuse, didn't I read that Lincoln had slaves?

Brian