Are you ALL awake?

[Pat Hartman]

I really am not interested in a religious war. I am merely pointing out the step by step elimination of Christianity.

Hamas and the people who voted for them, have in their charter the elimination of Israel and the killing of all Jews. How is that not "glassed"? I am simply in favor of them reaping what they sow. If they stop sowing hatred and murder, then the Israelis will make peace and that will be the end of this ugliness but I have lost hope of that ever happening. The Palestinians have repeatedly discarded the offers of a 2-state solution. They believe the Jews don't have any claim to the area and therefore, cannot be allowed to occupy ANY territory. The Muslim nations of the Middle East have rid themselves via pogroms of most of the remaining Jewish and Christian communities and are now solidly Muslim. I think there may still be small enclaves of Coptic Christians in Egypt and other Christians in Lebanon.

For reasons that escape me, the world is quite OK with this ethnic cleansing. The Palestinians seem to have control over the talking heads of the left wing media of the world.

 

[Isaac]

Pat stated in a different thread that Gaza should be "glassed." I asked if she was advocating genocide, she doubled down.

In this thread, Pat seems upset that the name of Christ is being erased by pop culture.

So I ask, what matters about Christianity? Does Christ give crap if his name is attached to year zero? Does Christ give a crap if his adherents call for genocide? Where does the actual value of Christianity occur?

I see. Thanks for pointing out the glassed, which I hadn't read - I spend about 5 min on AWF per month these days. No comment on that, except human life should always be valued as much as it can in the balance and certainly, innocent civilians (if they really are innocent civilians, which we know they are less often than they appear), should be spared, on any and all 'sides'. Have no idea what Glassed means. Not really up on slang.

I am not sure if Christ gives a crap about the AC and BC thing. I would say yes, Christ gives a crap if his adherents call for genocide - but then are they adherents? Why blame Christ for something a Christian does? That's like saying AA doesn't work because an AA member decides to go drink.

As to the value of Christianity, I'm not sure where you live or are knowledgeable about, but where I live (and where my relatives live), Christian organizations execute about 90% of all helpful charity in the area - homeless help, family help, domestic abuse survivors, orphanages, you name it, they're doing it. I suppose there's some value, at least in the eyes of the recipients who are then less hungry, exposed, confused, and lacking.

 

[MarkK]

Where does the actual value of Christianity occur? In the minds of its followers.

Then it does not matter if Christ's name is attached to year zero.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Have no idea what Glassed means. Not really up on slang.

Just for your edification and with no intent of actually recommending this option, "glassed" in that context is a reference to what the desert looked like underneath the Trinity site in New Mexico where the first atom bomb was exploded. It is a specific reference to melting the desert via nuclear fire and with the implication of "and reducing everything living there at the time to inorganic ash."

Having studied nuclear chemistry and nuclear reactions in college, and having reviewed detailed videos of the aftermath of the two bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I can never recommend that option. Never. All-out conventional warfare? Possibly. Nuclear warfare? Never. Nuclear war would lead to all four of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse being loose in the area. War, famine, pestilence, disease. Four for the price of one.

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

Nuclear war would lead to all four of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse

The problem is you've got some very strange characters in the current US government. It strikes me that there is a distinctive possibility that they 1, don't realize the implications of nuclear war, and 2, possibly relish the idea of destroying the whole world.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The problem is you've got some very strange characters in the current US government. It strikes me that there is a distinctive possibility that they 1, don't realize the implications of nuclear war, and 2, possibly relish the idea of destroying the whole world.

Sadly, you might be right. This is going to sound a bit odd, but it might be useful to make every one of those persons play the game Fallout 3 using VR goggles. I love the game but there are moments when it is SO depressing that I have to step away. The images of devastation - and the implications of mutation caused by the radiation - are impactful.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Then it does not matter if Christ's name is attached to year zero.

If it didn't matter, why change a designation we have used for 2,000 years?????? Because they are trying to rid the world of Christianity, step by step. It is the same mentality that closed houses of worship during COVID but left casinos and Walmart open.

 

[Pat Hartman]

This is the quote @MarkK is referring to.

How far should Israel go to retaliate? I say turn Gaza to glass as well as all the nuclear reactors in Iran that they have targeting info for. How many times does this have to happen? If there is intel that the 85 BILLIONS of dollars worth of US weapons that Biden so kindly GAVE to the Taliban are actually being used as is being widely reported, then destroy Bagram airbase too.

This is of course over the top (It appears that no one recognizes hyperbole when they see it so they choose to focus on this one statement) but the attacks on Israel MUST stop and they won't stop as long as Gaza's charter promises to kill all the Jews. This is simply Old Testament justice - "an eye for an eye" taken to the extreme which seems to be the only thing the Palestinians understand. They really need a sharp wakeup call to get them to see that peace with Israel is actually their salvation.

I have tried to explain the history of the problem. Unless you assume that Israel has no right to exist, then the blame lies with the Palestinians and their supporters. The Jews told them to stay after the partitioning and be welcomed. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem told them to leave. The leaders of the neighboring countries told them to leave Israel also. So ~ 700,000 Muslims made themselves voluntary refugees. Others were forcibly expelled later by Israel because they were fighting against Israel in the 1948 war. I'm sure the Palestinians never expected to be permanently exiled and living in refugee camps 75 years later with their descendants being refugees for all time. You really can't blame that on the Jews. In around 2000 during one of the peace talks, the Israeli's offered the refugees billions of dollars for the property that was abandoned when the Muslims fled.

More historical references:
The Nazi Romance With Islam Has Some Lessons for the United States - Tablet Magazine
This is an excerpt that explains that Ataturk's treatment of minorities is what inspired Hitler to genocide of the Jews.

Ihrig argues that the Turkish treatment of minorities, both under Atatürk and earlier, was the true precursor for Hitler’s murderous policy in the East. Those “bloodsuckers and parasites,” the Greeks and Armenians, had been “eradicated” by the Turks, Tröbst explained in Heimatland. “Gentle measures—that history has always shown—will not do in such cases.” The Turks had achieved “the purification of a nation of its foreign elements on a grand scale.” He added that “Almost all of those of foreign background in the area of combat had to die; their number is not put too low with 500,000.” Here was a chilling endorsement of genocide, and one that surely did not escape Hitler’s eye. Shortly after his articles appeared, Hitler invited Tröbst to give a speech on Turkey to the SA.

Here's the Wikipedia entry on Mohammad Amin al-Husseini with pictures of him meeting with Hitler
Mohammad Amin al-Husseini wikipedia - Search (bing.com)
Some excerpts:

Al-Husseini has been described by the American Jewish Congress as "Hitler's henchman"[f] and some scholars, such as Schwanitz and Rubin, have argued that Husseini made the Final Solution inevitable by shutting out the possibility of Jews escaping to Palestine.[202]

In September 1943, intense negotiations to rescue 500 Jewish children from the Arbe concentration camp collapsed due to the objection of al-Husseini who blocked the children's departure to Turkey because they would end up in Palestine.[227]

al-Husseini meeting with Heinrich Himmler (1943)
Bundesarchiv Bild 101III-Alber-164-18A, Großmufti Amin al Husseini, Heinrich Himmler - Amin al-Husseini - Wikipedia
al-Husseini reviewing the Bosnian Waffen-SS volunteers with a Nazi salute (1943)
Bundesarchiv Bild 146-1980-036-05, Amin al Husseini bei bosnischen SS-Freiwilligen - Amin al-Husseini - Wikipedia

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

I would just add to the thread that I hope that you all consider us colleagues, all of us together as the nature of us is programmers, programming in a common language.

I don't want to sound wishy washy, manby Palmy, wokey blokey. I am foremost a programmer, somebody who stays up to 3am working on code, like I suspect we all do from time to time. I suspect I might be slightly autistically orientated, again a trate I would ascribe to most programmers.

What I'm saying is, don't let the divisional dividing politics bugger up our common working relationship, a relationship we all share.

For example, there are some people here who I would have banned for their troll like behavior. It was Jon the forum owner that Showed me that continued dialogue with these people, people who were, (and some still are) no better than trolls. Continued dialogue allowed us to eventually arrive at amicable interaction with these people.

Instead of seeing someone as:- Muslim, Christian, (enter any religion here)... Republican democrat, labour liberal conservative, Australian American Irish British, accept them as a colleague, if not a colleague, at least, as someone who shares the same trials and tribulations that you do. After all we have a common ground.

 

[Jon]

What I'm saying is, don't let the divisional dividing politics bugger up our common working relationship, a relationship we all share.

Very Buddhist. The Dalai Lama says we have way more in common with one another than differences. We all need food, feel pain, suffer, seek companionship, have wants and needs. There is more than joins us than divides us, even when on opposing sides of the political aisle. It all depends on what we want to focus on.

I think I might have read that from this book: https://www.amazon.com/Dalai-Lamas-Little-Inner-Peace/dp/157174844X/

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

And here:- Smith Mundt Act.... Legalising fake news.... What do you do? Fake it back! Get Babylon B to create fake news about Barrack Obama joining Hamas

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