Attack on Israel (8 Viewers)

[BlueSpruce]

Israel is trying very hard to not kill civilians. How many times do we have to mention that? Hamas keeps them hostage in the hopes that some will die in the attack. Israel warns ahead of time what will be targeted to give civilians a chance to escape. But Hamas needs human shields and forces civilians to stay. Is there some part of that you don't understand? Please try to confirm so you get it.

The Israeli hostages were the only remaining ace in the hole Hamas had. So now that Hamas is releasing the hostages, what is to prevent Israel from killing all Palestinians if Hamas doesn't disarm?

 

[Steve R.]

The Israeli hostages were the only remaining ace in the hole Hamas had.

By today's byzantine incomprehensible moral standards, the hostages could be considered the "remaining ace". Historically, that would not be the case. Israel, based on historic humanitarian standards, had moral justification to fully blockade Gaza until the hostages were released, Hamas disarmed, and Gaza surrendered. That is precisely what Israel should have done.

Better for the IDF to starve a few Palestinians in Gaza than suffer the casualties of urban warfare. Unfortunately, real world politics today, would not consider a blockade acceptable. The irony, Israel is still getting lambasted for fighting a "civil" war that minimizes casualties. Since Israel isn't getting any recognition for their humanitarian generosity, they should have bit the bullet and imposed a full blockade anyway. Israel would have suffered a lot less casualties.

 

[amorosik]

Morality is what the government and the army are losing
And unfortunately, a large part of the population follows them
And this is the worst thing, because a government can change, but if the majority of the population living in Israel thought that massacring a population was the only option, then I would say that Israel has lost any idea of humanity and has no future
I hope, and I hope for you, that this is not the case

 

[amorosik]

Israel is trying very hard to not kill civilians...

Oh yeah???
It's strange, he's not very good at it

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Morality is what the government and the army are losing

And unfortunately, a large part of the population follows them

Whereas Hamas lost all claims of morality when they massacred 1200 Israelis in a sneak attack on a holiday and then did nothing to reclaim any modicum of morality with their continued rocket attacks on Israel. And the Palestinians supported them.

Morality can also be determined by what happens next. When Hamas breaks the truce and starts the killing again, that is also a loss of morality. I am not a pessimist ALL of the time - but history has shown that pessimism isn't totally unreasonable in this case.

I am hopeful that this peace will last for a long time. Hopeful and yet skeptical.

 

[BlueSpruce]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Israel lowered its morale by going overboard on Palestinian civilians.

I am hopeful that this peace will last for a long time. Hopeful and yet skeptical.

There's no peace deal yet, only a cease fire. If Israel shares the same pessimism you have, there will never be long term peace. It must now worry about Iran and over a billion enraged Muslims around the world. For every action there's a reaction. The Iron Dome is not foolproof.

 

[AngelSpeaks]

Two wrongs don't make a right. Israel lowered its morale by going overboard on Palestinian civilians.

There's no peace deal yet, only a cease fire. If Israel shares the same pessimism you have, there will never be long term peace. It must now worry about Iran and over a billion enraged Muslims around the world. For every action there's a reaction. The Iron Dome is not foolproof.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Israel lowered its morale by going overboard on Palestinian civilians.

There's no peace deal yet, only a cease fire. If Israel shares the same pessimism you have, there will never be long term peace. It must now worry about Iran and over a billion enraged Muslims around the world. For every action there's a reaction. The Iron Dome is not foolproof.

And turning ones cheek with Hamas gets your head cut off. What would you do if someone went up to you and punched you? Israel has a right to defend itself.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

a billion enraged Muslims around the world

Except that the Afghanistan and Pakistan Muslims are occupied by hating each other at the level of exchange of gunfire. Or did you miss the recent border skirmishes? Those two brands of Islam can't get along with each other, which in my mind is a good thing for what it shows - the non-solidarity of Islam. But of course YOU want to focus on the conflict that allows you to show your poorly disguised anti-semitism. There is an old phrase and a modern variant thereof that expressly describes that situation. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. And Hamas did it first. And then they discovered the newer phrase - what goes around comes around.

 

[amorosik]

Whereas Hamas lost all claims of morality when they massacred 1200 Israelis in a sneak attack

The number 1,200 refers approximately to the victims of that terrible day
Can you perhaps say how many of these victims fell to Palestinian fire?

TRT World - Israeli army killed own soldiers 'hesitant' to face Hamas on Oct. 7

Military investigation reveals that "friendly fires" killed unspecified number of Israeli soldiers who were "highly hesitant" to confront Palestinian resistance fighters on October 7 last year, local media say.

www.trtworld.com

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-inquiry-finds-oct-7-hostage-likely-killed-by-friendly-fire-2024-04-05/

Friendly fire may have killed their relatives on Oct. 7. These Israeli families want answers now

Relatives of civilians killed at a kibbutz in southern Israel during the Oct. 7 attack by Hamas are demanding the military immediately investigate signs that some may have been killed by Israeli security forces as they battled militants holding hostages

www.independent.co.uk

 

[amorosik]

Hopeful and yet skeptical.

100% agree

 

[BlueSpruce]

your poorly disguised anti-semitism.

My beef is with Israel's leadership, not its civilians nor the Jewish diaspora, who many of them have condemned Israel's actions. So your claim that I'm anti-semite has no validity. Don't be surprised if we start seeing a mass exodus of people from Israel who disagreed with their leaders actions. All Israel has done is awaken a sleeping giant named Islam. China and Russia are going to provide them weapons.

 

[ColinEssex]

If anybody needs any rubble, I know where you might get some cheap.
Col

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Unfortunately, Col, if someone in the USA tried to buy it, Trump would put a tariff on it, thus making it not so cheap any more. But nice try!