British weird weather - Global Warming?

[scott-atkinson]

Guys,

What are your thoughts on the prospects of Global Warming?

I have a size 11 carbon footprint

I don't subscribe to the Global Warming issue, as I believe that the Earth is just going through a cycle that it has gone through hundreds of times before, only humans were not around or not intelligent enough to realise it.

Think about the great ice ages that the Earth has indured thousands of years in the past, followed by the subsequent heating of the planet which dispersed the ice, there was no such think as man made pollution then, no chimneys pumping out CO2, no carbon footprints, yet still the Earth went through the global warming cycle.

I just think that 99% of this is a ply especially by the British government to Tax it's citizens even more under the name of this banner

What do you think?

 

[Bodisathva]

I'll agree that the warming trend is cyclic, has happened before, will happen again, and there's nothing we can do to stop it... but I also think that the depth and severity of the cycle is being increased by our CO2 emissions.

 

[GaryPanic]

err not quite ,

yes the earth runs in cycles and every x years their is an adjustment- but the speed of this change was relatively slow- the speed at what we are going at now is faster....

even if you view is right (and it may well be) - it makes sense to try and run cleaner smarter etc... Rubbish in landfills does not make much sense - and I don't want to be held over the oil barrel to the arabs ( or the US) when the oil runs out

lets utilise the alterntives but in a logical manner

we could start with the simple things - recycle paper ( most of us do in the UK already) , glass , cans this does reduce (the carbon foot print ) moveing minerals for the earth to smelting centre, to factory to depot etc ... the energy in recyceling is 5% of the original production of most items again not all).

the Eu rules on computers makes sense - you buy a new one - what happens tot he old one- now its to be recycles- ( monitors where the real problem here)

I ramble

 

[scott-atkinson]

I'll agree that the warming trend is cyclic, has happened before, will happen again, and there's nothing we can do to stop it... but I also think that the depth and severity of the cycle is being increased by our CO2 emissions.

If this is so then why does America not sign up to reduce it's emissions

What can be done to reduce China's emissions?

And if we don't what is the worst that can happen?

 

[scott-atkinson]

err not quite ,

yes the earth runs in cycles and every x years their is an adjustment- but the speed of this change was relatively slow- the speed at what we are going at now is faster....

Are you predicting that we do nothing we could be faced by another ice age?

 

[Pauldohert]

Global warming is a scare story to to protect the tangible agriculture and industry producers of the west against emerging economies.

"Buy local - its 10 times the price - but your saving the planet!"

Bollocks!

The intangible has been sown up thru globalisation already.

What can be done to reduce China's emissions?

- Well they need to stop the industrialisation process don't they!

Protectionist propaganda the lot of it.

 

[Bodisathva]

If this is so then why does America not sign up to reduce it's emissions

The Governator is in the process of trying to get that to happen, but unfortunately the current administration isn't interested.

What can be done to reduce China's emissions?

Let them find out for themselves. Telling someone is not nearly as convincing as having them suddenly deal with acid rain and a dying ecosystem. Unfortunate, but I don't see them listening to anyone any time soon

And if we don't what is the worst that can happen?

 

[Rich]

the Eu rules on computers makes sense - you buy a new one - what happens tot he old one- now its to be recycles- ( monitors where the real problem here)

I ramble

What's the point of re-cycling worn out, clapped out junk?

 

[GaryPanic]

do you want to go for a walk and have nothing but rubbish tips everywhere - no they recycle the monitors - the plastic goes one way then the glass another - .

as to whether I am predicting another ice age... I think that there is one coming - but its the speed of it that mankind can have an impact on

it could be 1000 years away or if we don't get our act together it could start in 50 - 100 years

 

[Rich]

Do you know how much of the crap we're not allowed to bury here under EU rules gets shipped off to China? So much for the policy on protecting the planet

 

[Sizemore5000]

Yeah, it may be 'just a cycle', and the earth will go on existing afterward, but if WE don't figure out something to do about it WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! You me, our kids, their kids. No more people. We have to figure it out quick, too - whether the earth becomes uninhabitable for humans in the next 50 years or 500 doesn't matter: that's a drop in the bucket (Gaia is one old b*tch ) It's gonna take a while to fix our problem - it doesn't matter if we caused it or if its natural.

I do the right things, I drive a moped for transportation, recycle, have a wind genny, use solar assisted heaters, consume less, compost, plant at least 150 trees a year on my property, manage my land and animals properly. I try to do my part for the future 7 generations. Maybe it is just the cycle of the planet, but I am not willing to gamble that on the health and welfare of the future generations who have to deal with our errors.

Fifty2One - you're the shizzle. If everyone acted as responsibly as you, we would be able to maintain a good environment. However, we also have to figure out a more radical plan to CORRECT the problem, or EVADE it.

 

[Sizemore5000]

Oil Midnight - Beds Are Burning

I love this song:

Title: Beds Are Burning
Artist: Oil Midnight

Out where the river broke
The bloodwood and the desert oak
Holden wrecks and boiling diesels
Steam in forty five degrees

The time has come
To say fair's fair
To pay the rent
To pay our share
The time has come
A fact's a fact
It belongs to them
Let's give it back

How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning
How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning

The time has come to say fairs fair
to pay the rent, now to pay our share

Four wheels scare the cockatoos
From Kintore East to Yuendemu
The western desert lives and breathes
In forty five degrees

The time has come
To say fair's fair
To pay the rent
To pay our share
The time has come
A fact's a fact
It belongs to them
Let's give it back

How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning
How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning

The time has come to say fair's fair
To pay the rent, now to pay our share
The time has come, a fact's a fact
It belongs to them, let's give it back

How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep while our beds are burning

 

[rainman89]

http://www.globalwarmingheartland.org/?gclid=CLzX3Kvdto0CFSMKGgod0CIQMg

 

[The_Doc_Man]

OK, let's get my position clear here.

1. I am a firm believer that global warming is a side-effect of the overlapping natural heat transfer cycles of the Earth. We have had ice ages and thaws. People forget that we had a mini ice age that led to what is commonly called the "Dark Ages" in Europe. A thousand years ago. We had a bigger ice age that ended only 25K years ago. Precise data on exact temperatures is not available much more than a hundred years ago, give or take.

2. The amount of greenhouse gases emitted by natural forces is far more than Man can create. One rain forest full of termites digesting cellulose causes more methane gas (yes, TERMITE farts...) than all cars in the USA combined. Volcanoes toss out literally billions of tons of oxides of sulfur and nitrogen (due to the heat of the lava breaking down the N2 molecule). It is the ultimate ARROGANCE of some who think Mankind really matters to the environment that much.

3. Global warming research is a GREAT way for a scientist to make a dollar or two by studying something and then reporting some really abstruse findings that are hard to link to anything at all.

4. Having said all of the above, I'm still in favor of cleaning up the air and helping the environment for HEALTH reasons. The mechanism for global warming is a mystery. The mechanisms for emphysema and allergen-induced asthma are well known. Strictly on HEALTH grounds, we should clean up our air and water as much as we can.

So if you are a global warming afficianado, don't chastise me. I still want cleaner air from me and my grandsons. Just not for the same reasons that others might want it.

 

[GaryPanic]

Doc.

well put, ice ages come and go - so we all agree on that ,and we are due for one (now-ish)

I want a planet that clean - so recycle makes sense just or that in itself, the natural resources are becoming limited - again another reason for recycling

what we should be doing is planting more tree (one of our american college does this on their land - Brilliant) - however my lands not that big -so i have to do things differently -

I compost - my gardens big enough for this -
recycle tins, glass, paper,plastic..
i try to grow some vegies (more to show my daughter - that carrots come from the ground and not from the supermarket)
I have a couple of fruit tree (same as above )
now I know that these samll things don't have a great impact on their own , but if a million people did the same this must have some impact..

This years project was to top up the loft insulation , I am now well above the minimum requirements and we noticed the effects

I have looked into wind generator for my house, and I am not in a good postion for one (I am half way down a hill surrounded by trees) and also the technology on wind generators needs to be better -(It has come on leaps and bounds )- but you need a lot of land , and here in the UK 90% of people don't have much land, a garden the size a stamp compared to stateside

as to solar - this is still a bit pricey , and if its just hotwater you want then do-able but it works best in the summer - when you don't need as much hot water .. if its the other type photvoltic (?) thenI would go for this - but this is pricey to convert a house (If I was doing a self build - yeah I'd do it)

we are pretty good about turning unwanted electrical applicances off at the wall - (no stand by)- but not perfect by any means ..


If the manufactors reduced the packaging on items - this would help - people are lazy, so lets make it easy for them to be greener, a tube of toothpaste has plastic film , then cardboard , before you get to the tube - get rid of the plastic -simple

as an example we have in the uk a couple of towns that have gone plastic bag free and all the shops now use paper or you bring in your bag - so less plastic in land fill - yes this is a tocken jesture - but it could be the start of something - some of the supermarkets now use corn plastic bags that rot down quickley.. these are all small things - but they mount up -

we do need the larger counties (US, India, china ) to join in
i know that individuals are doing there bit as are some states - which is fab.. but we need more -

I ramble


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[The_Doc_Man]

At the risk of a terrible pun, Gary, you and I would make a great pair.

I gnash my teeth while you ramble.

Together we would be a Gnash Rambler ?

 

[ColinEssex]

At the risk of a terrible pun, Gary, you and I would make a great pair.
I gnash my teeth while you ramble.

Together we would be a Gnash Rambler ?

Whats a Gnash Rambler? In the Uk a rambler is someone who walks alot.

Col

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Since we were talking fuel economy and clean-running vehicles at least indirectly....

In the USA in the 1950's and 1960's, a very economical and fuel-efficient vehicle was a Nash Rambler, with Nash being a brand name and Rambler being the model name. Sort of like Pontiac Grand Prix or Ford Anglia.

I believe this next is correct... if you watch the Columbo TV shows with Peter Falk as a perpetually rumpled homicide detective, he drives a Nash Rambler. You cannot mistake the series. He's the detective who asks a few questions and then, just when he's about to leave, turns and says, "There's just one more thing that bothers me. Didn't you tell me that...." - and when he does that near the end of the show, he's telling the perpetrator exactly how said perp has slipped up and incriminated himself cold.

I know many times in other threads we have discussed the American TV shows so I know you folks on the east side of the pond get at least SOME of our re-runs. Maybe you get this one, too.

 

[ChrisO]

Actually, I think it was a two door Peugeot 403 convertible and I don’t think clean running came into it at all.

But a great series nonetheless.

 

[ColinEssex]

Actually, I think it was a two door Peugeot 403 convertible and I don’t think clean running came into it at all.

But a great series nonetheless.

It is a Peugeot he drives.

The series is still run on UK TV (cable)

So is a Nash Rambler the same company who make Rambler cars?

Col