Coronavirus - are we all doomed?

[ColinEssex]

Getting federal judges appointed is a big one that presidents still do.

That should take about half an hour.
Col

 

[ColinEssex]

I get it now. If it's a huge national problem like the virus then the Orange Clown allows the states to deal with it, then Trump can blame them if it goes tits up. Then, if it's a war somewhere, then Trump appears to organise it so if the USA should quell the uprising, he can take the credit for being a patriotic president. Sad thing is, the USA doesn't win many wars, but enjoys trying and napalming innocent people.
Col

 

[pbaldy]

Plus I was trying to keep the thread on track.

Apparently this didn't last...

 

[AccessBlaster]

That begs the question - what does Trump do exactly?

National security is one of the main functions of the President.

 

[AccessBlaster]

that's 50 little governments doing roughly the same thing. Presumably, each state controls most things within its borders.

Truer words were never spoken. It's a little chaotic to say the least.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Actually, Col, your question focuses on the part where lawyers make money - in the cracks between state and federal issues. It is often in the "points of contact" between federal and state power that collisions of rights occur. In this case, corona virus exposes the issues related to individual rights or freedoms (as guaranteed in the Federal constitution) in conflict with state-ordered lock downs, mandatory social isolation, and other safety measures.

 

[Isaac]

Keeping all those packed federal judges busy as heck!

 

[AccessBlaster]

Keeping all those packed federal judges busy as heck!

Well it off sets all the ballot harvesting going on in places like Cali.

 

[Isaac]

Ha ha, touché

 

[ColinEssex]

Apparently this didn't last...

Yes, apologies for that but I was intrigued by the president passing the buck on some issues and taking credit for others.

Anyway, back to the topic. I think it's interesting how various countries are dealing with the pandemic, like easing lockdown. The tricky bit is to avoid a second spike of cases whilst trying to keep the populace from getting frustrated and ignoring advice and at the same time trying to restart the economy. The U.K. Is expected to have racked up a 700 billion pound bill by October, it's phenomenal if it's true.
Col

 

[AccessBlaster]

What they should have done is quarantined those who are ill, and let the rest of us put on PPE and go about our business. But they needed to tank the economy for some reason.

 

[deletedT]

We had a news last night saying : W.H.O. Finally Endorses Masks to Prevent Coronavirus Transmission.
The announcer who was reading the news couldn’t help smiling. Everybody could see what she was thinking while reading the lines : How long did it take for them to understand?

WHO finally endorses masks to prevent coronavirus transmission

[NEW YORK] Long after most nations urged their citizens to wear masks, and after months of hand-wringing about the quality of the evidence available, the World Health Organization (WHO) on Friday endorsed the use of face masks by the public to reduce transmission of the coronavirus. Read more at...

www.businesstimes.com.sg

 

[Jon]

The WHO are a bit of a laughing stock in my eyes. I've been banging on about face masks for months, calling the WHO disingenuous and our own government (the UK) lacking any common sense. All my predictions have come true regarding Covid and I don't have access to all the data that the government has. I don't have a team of highly educated scientific advisors, debating every part of things. Yet how can I arrive at the correct conclusions without all that? Simple. Common sense! It seems the scientific advisors, who claim they are all following the science, have lost the plot and just cannot see the big picture. The cost of all this is a lot more lives lost. The whole face masks fiasco was a disingenuous plot to keep them for the medical workers, by lying to the public that they are unnecessary for general use. The reality is that they do work at reducing the coefficient of viral spread, and they finally admit that, now that supply of face masks has improved. Couldn't they have just told us all that we should create our own face coverings, like they eventually did in the USA? To say they don't work on the one hand, yet these things that don't work should be saved for the medics on the other, is quite frankly ludicrous! Makes me angry!

 

[Cronk]

World Health Organization has official figures here. Mortality rates range from over 16% in UK, 14% in Italy to nearly 6% in USA to much lower rates in Australia and New Zealand which closed their borders early and enforced isolation. Mortality is slanted to older age demographics.

 

[deletedT]

World Health Organization has official figures here. Mortality rates range from over 16% in UK, 14% in Italy to nearly 6% in USA to much lower rates in Australia and New Zealand which closed their borders early and enforced isolation. Mortality is slanted to older age demographics.

I'm sorry to say this, but I don't rely on WHO's data or figures while they are under China's influence. I think I'll stick to local news.

 

[Jon]

I used to think the WHO was doing admirable work. But it appears that like all large organisations, they can become corrupted with political influence raising its ugly head. It seems to run through everything, from governments to football (fifa fiasco), to people of influence and so on.

 

[Deleted member 147267]

Jon, would that include the United Nations? I am beginning to think that is an organization that needs to be replaced or at least, its rules changed. Any country belonging to an elite class that on its own can veto everyone else has, IMO, outlived its usefulness. Unless I'm wrong, every country can be for implementing a response but it only takes one dissenting vote by a privileged member to quash it. That is just WRONG.

 

[deletedT]

Jon, would that include the United Nations?

United Nations has been under US's influence for God-knows-how-many-years. Just think how many times countries under US's sanctions have tried to do something and nobody listened.

 

[Jon]

@Micron To be honest, I know very little about the United Nations, so it is hard for me to comment. I only know a little more about WHO because of their ridiculous stance on mask wearing. I also include the ridiculous stance of the UK Conservative government on this too, and I am a Conservative!

I heard Trump going on about them being corrupt etc. So I did a little bit of digging on the subject. There appeared to be considerable merit to some of the claims. The leader of the WHO organisation worked for a communist junta or something like that, my memory fails me. He was lobbied for the position heavily by China and other shenanigans. While I do not own the headspace of the leader of WHO, some of the policies were way off the mark in my view, the siding with China and the criticism of Trump's closing of borders too. To me, it smacks of politicking.

Edit: Nato! That is one for reform. Everybody agreed to contribute 2% of GDP as a requirement of membership. The UK does it. But few of the others do. Look at Germany. They were at something like 1.2% of GDP, something like that. Yet when Trump talked about this, the leaders were laughing at him. Yet the US contributes about 4% of GDP. To me, I wouldn't blame Trump for pulling out. If you set up a system with conditions of membership, then ignore them, leaving other countries to foot the bill, what do you expect?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Trump's stance on NATO has been to continually warn them that we are going to cut our contributions. I don't remember if he actually DID cut them but he has repeatedly told world leaders that they would have to shoulder their fair share if they want it to continue.