Cyber bullying - fact or fiction?

[Bladerunner]

we could solve this problem with over regulation and legislation

Given time."over regulation and legislation" will add up to the same amount of descent enjoyed by those people in China, Korea and Iran.

 

[Brianwarnock]

Are we talking about descent or dissent here, or maybe both?

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

" with freedom comes responsibilities " , a nice phrase, however we must all realise that one person's freedom can become another's restriction, and vice-versa.

Take an example away from this thread, we are not given the freedom and responsibility to drive at what speed we deem fit, restrictions are placed on us as we know that not everybody is responsible and we want to allow others the right to use the roads in relative safety. It's not perfect but better than a free for all.

A simpler subject of course than policing the web etc.

Brian

 

[scott-atkinson]

" with freedom comes responsibilities " , a nice phrase, however we must all realise that one person's freedom can become another's restriction, and vice-versa.

Take an example away from this thread, we are not given the freedom and responsibility to drive at what speed we deem fit, restrictions are placed on us as we know that not everybody is responsible and we want to allow others the right to use the roads in relative safety. It's not perfect but better than a free for all.

A simpler subject of course than policing the web etc.

Brian

Yet the answer is the same...

If a speeding motorist is caught, they will be checked for ID against a database of known drivers, ie the DVLA, this will consist of Driving License and Car Registration documents, if they possess neither then they are clearly up to no good...

The same applies on the web, as I said in a previous post, online I could be anybody, my IP address is residential so it could be traced back to me, but if I registered to a Social Media sight from a public IP address there would be no way to trace me, so I could speed as fast as I want and cause as many car crashes as I want with no consequence to myself, even if I get caught and my user ID banned, I just create a new one and off I go again...

 

[Brianwarnock]

I don't know anything about the social media sites and how one registers, but an organisation I registered with , I think it was a BS , asked for both a telephone number and an email address, they rang me on the number to check if I was wanting to register, and then emailed me info to allow me to complete the registration, I've no idea if this would make me more traceable.

Brian

 

[Vassago]

I think a better phrase is, "with freedom comes consequence." Yes, you have freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean there aren't consequences involved. That seems to be one of the biggest challenges lately when people try to call foul and claim freedom of speech when fired from a job over a post they made. You aren't legally held accountable for your words, but if you represent the company you work for, you are bound to not say something that could damage the company's reputation.

There are, of course, mixed opinions on what could damage the company's reputation. That's left to discretion.

 

[ColinEssex]

Parents need to do the parenting and not farm out the responsibility of raising their offspring to others at the earliest age possible.

Do you think the current practice of parents having a child then fobbing them off on child minders, play groups and any relative is detrimental to the child's upbringing?

I have long said that if people have kids then the mother should be home and raise them. If they need the money then don't have the kid.

I'm sure some kids have no idea which of the minders is their real parent.

Col

 

[Brianwarnock]

And they say men can't multitask.

Brian

 

[scott-atkinson]

Do you think the current practice of parents having a child then fobbing them off on child minders, play groups and any relative is detrimental to the child's upbringing?

I have long said that if people have kids then the mother should be home and raise them. If they need the money then don't have the kid.

I'm sure some kids have no idea which of the minders is their real parent.

Col

Col,

That is a massive part of the problem, today's pressures to have a decent standard of living requires both parents to work full time, and hence children are often put into nurseries all day or with Minders all day... they have no guidance from a loving parent for the majority of their young lives..

A nursery, and a Minder will do their best but it is no replacement for a loving parent...

I know my children have been bought up well, because my wife stayed at home to look after them and to raise them, yes it was hard, and yes it cost me dearly in the long term, but I know my children are the better for it..

 

[Fifty2One]

Rarely would I wholeheartedly agree with you, ColinEssex, however I would also echo that post that if someone is unable to raise a child or children to the standards they see as being financially sufficient to provide all the wants as well as needs... do not have a child or children.

scott-atkinson - I must say "well done" to you and your wife for doing it right and raising your own children, I am sure you know very well that the benefits outweigh the sacrifices!

Do you think the current practice of parents having a child then fobbing them off on child minders, play groups and any relative is detrimental to the child's upbringing?

I have long said that if people have kids then the mother should be home and raise them. If they need the money then don't have the kid.

I'm sure some kids have no idea which of the minders is their real parent.

Col

Col,

That is a massive part of the problem, today's pressures to have a decent standard of living requires both parents to work full time, and hence children are often put into nurseries all day or with Minders all day... they have no guidance from a loving parent for the majority of their young lives..

A nursery, and a Minder will do their best but it is no replacement for a loving parent...

I know my children have been bought up well, because my wife stayed at home to look after them and to raise them, yes it was hard, and yes it cost me dearly in the long term, but I know my children are the better for it..

 

[Bladerunner]

Rarely would I wholeheartedly agree with you, ColinEssex, however I would also echo that post that if someone is unable to raise a child or children to the standards they see as being financially sufficient to provide all the wants as well as needs... do not have a child or children.

Good evening Fifty2One: I will agree with you and Colin ,but as has always been, babies are born because of passionate reckless kids out of wedlock. Rem, we were once those kids. However, in my day, the families would come together and usually helped raise the child. The father usually took responsibility or was persuaded to do so, even in some cases at the point of a shotgun, thus "shotgun wedding". Now, anything goes. The helping hand our government once paid for by our taxes, now is used to buy votes from those who would rather do nothing and get paid for it.

Have a nice day :>)

Bladerunner

 

[Dick7Access]

Good evening Fifty2One: I will agree with you and Colin ,but as has always been, babies are born because of passionate reckless kids out of wedlock. Rem, we were once those kids. However, in my day, the families would come together and usually helped raise the child. The father usually took responsibility or was persuaded to do so, even in some cases at the point of a shotgun, thus "shotgun wedding". Now, anything goes. The helping hand our government once paid for by our taxes, now is used to buy votes from those who would rather do nothing and get paid for it.

Have a nice day :>)
Bladerunner

Amen and amen

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

So the according to Scott and Fifty - using a nursery is wrong? Presumably going to schools is right, so can you tell me the definitive age at which the wrongness changes to the righteousness of actual school.

My daughter went to nursery from 6 months, she was certainly taught well at home. She was similarly at nursery. She now a very happy sociable, and able 5 , she goes back to nursery at half terms etc, and sometimes stays the night and loves it, with the owner almost as good as family.

She was far more advanced than stay at home children of the same age.

Yes we could have claimed further state subsidy to not work for longer?!

I think we made the best choice for the child, the parents and the taxpayer. For a different child and different parents , the best maybe a different choice.

As for the mother being at home - Cols on the windup as usual., He's ensnared a few this time though!

 

[scott-atkinson]

So the according to Scott and Fifty - using a nursery is wrong? Presumably going to schools is right, so can you tell me the definitive age at which the wrongness changes to the righteousness of actual school.

My daughter went to nursery from 6 months, she was certainly taught well at home. She was similarly at nursery. She now a very happy sociable, and able 5 , she goes back to nursery at half terms etc, and sometimes stays the night and loves it, with the owner almost as good as family.

She was far more advanced than stay at home children of the same age.

Yes we could have claimed further state subsidy to not work for longer?!

I think we made the best choice for the child, the parents and the taxpayer. For a different child and different parents , the best maybe a different choice.

As for the mother being at home - Cols on the windup as usual., He's ensnared a few this time though!

I didn't say that a Nursery was wrong, in my opinion I did not want a stranger shaping the early years development of my children from birth. In fact both of my children went to Nursery from the age of 3 years old, and were better for the child interaction, but in the very early years, I did not want strangers bringing up my children, and my wife was of the same opinion. I did not claim any state benefits other than the Child allowances that everybody is entitled too, My finances took a major hammering because my wife had a good career prior to the arrival of the children, but we struggled through.

I don't think Col was ensnaring anybody, he just has old fashioned values, and on this subject I agree with them.

For the record my wife still doesn't work, and she has a great relationship with our children, she sees them off to school, and see them when they get home from school, they know they have the support there if they need it, and do not have to wait until some ungodly hour for a parent to be with them as opposed to a stranger, no matter how good that stranger may be. And I personally feel my children are the better for it.

 

[Groundrush]

So the according to Scott and Fifty - using a nursery is wrong? Presumably going to schools is right, so can you tell me the definitive age at which the wrongness changes to the righteousness of actual school.

My daughter went to nursery from 6 months, she was certainly taught well at home. She was similarly at nursery. She now a very happy sociable, and able 5 , she goes back to nursery at half terms etc, and sometimes stays the night and loves it, with the owner almost as good as family.

She was far more advanced than stay at home children of the same age.

Yes we could have claimed further state subsidy to not work for longer?!

I think we made the best choice for the child, the parents and the taxpayer. For a different child and different parents , the best maybe a different choice.

As for the mother being at home - Cols on the windup as usual., He's ensnared a few this time though!

My son also went to Nursey at 6 months of age.

Being the only child it gave him the opportunity to mix with other children his age and to get used a learning environment. He would not have had this experience from being at home.

All this was put to the test when at 4 years of age we moved house to get him into the catchment area for a very good school.
In the same week as moving he then attended the school nursery for the remainder of the year until September of last year when he then began his first year at school.

My wife & I were terrified and could not handle the stress of moving & was worried about how our boy would cope with all this change. It turned out that it did not phase him one bit.... He absolutely loved it.
It certainly must have been because he was already used to being away from home.
Saying this we also had to start his school year a week later than normal to give his new classmates the chance to adjust and settle in because they were not used to being away from home. A lot of the parents even had to sit with them.

 

[Fifty2One]

As I already got caught up in terminology already in this thread let me clarify:
Using a nursery is wrong, in my opinion.
People who feel it is right or proper will come up with all sorts of arguments to support their decision to have strangers rear their child or children.
There are parents who have "stay at home children" who are equally socialized, as most parents who take their own responsibilities to rear their children also share experiences with each other and socialize together during the day time. It is not like the children are locked up in a house with zero interaction with other children or people.

I dont understand how "the tax payers" come into play unless you figure for some reason people need to be paid to stay at home to raise their own children.

So the according to Scott and Fifty - using a nursery is wrong? Presumably going to schools is right, so can you tell me the definitive age at which the wrongness changes to the righteousness of actual school.

My daughter went to nursery from 6 months, she was certainly taught well at home. She was similarly at nursery. She now a very happy sociable, and able 5 , she goes back to nursery at half terms etc, and sometimes stays the night and loves it, with the owner almost as good as family.

She was far more advanced than stay at home children of the same age.

Yes we could have claimed further state subsidy to not work for longer?!

I think we made the best choice for the child, the parents and the taxpayer. For a different child and different parents , the best maybe a different choice.

As for the mother being at home - Cols on the windup as usual., He's ensnared a few this time though!

 

[Brianwarnock]

There are good nurseries and there are bad nurseries just as there are good parents and bad parents, we have been through this before when childless col posted the same sexist drivel.

Brian

 

[Bladerunner]

Col,
A nursery, and a Minder will do their best but it is no replacement for a loving parent..

Scott if you have a good minder(?) then they should also give the do's and don't's to the children. Schools at one time not only taught them scholastics but manners, etc as well. About 8 hours per day (5 day week) is the ave. most kids spent at school or with their minders. I don't think this is where the problem is. A large part of the problem is the family unit falling apart. And I am not talking about those parents who work together after a separation in order to give their kids the best possible raising. I am talking about the family units where there is only one and the other disappears. It is hard to raise a child being a single parent but there are a lot of people finding themselves doing just that. Here, there is no money for the minder much less anything else and the schools who no longer want to or are allowed to dispense discipline simply exacerbate the problem.

With a 58% + devorce rate in some cultures (USA) and a 50-60% + pregnancy rate, it is clear where the problem lies. My friends, total social liberalism does not create a utopia but exactly the opposite. Socialism (financially) brings on a "nanny" state that has never worked at anytime in the history of the world. When you pay people for a vote it allows them to quit work, sit home and do nothing. The very building blocks of a society start falling apart and the family unit is the first to go.

Have a nice day :>)
Bladerunner

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

As I already got caught up in terminology already in this thread let me clarify:
Using a nursery is wrong, in my opinion.
People who feel it is right or proper will come up with all sorts of arguments to support their decision to have strangers rear their child or children.
There are parents who have "stay at home children" who are equally socialized, as most parents who take their own responsibilities to rear their children also share experiences with each other and socialize together during the day time. It is not like the children are locked up in a house with zero interaction with other children or people.

I dont understand how "the tax payers" come into play unless you figure for some reason people need to be paid to stay at home to raise their own children.

In my experience stay at home kids aren't generally as socially adept. I don't figure you NEED to be paid to look after you own kids. However I am aware of the fact that you can be if that's your choice.

What is the magical age when nursery becomes school and its all ok? Its clearly a more complicated answer than you wish to portray it as. Wrong and right is frankly ridiculous in this regard.


I luckily to us found the best little nursery in the world for my daughter - would advocate it to anyone. I wouldn't suggest they were wrong if they chose something different however?!

 

[AnthonyGerrard]

Back to bullying - if I were to get a tattoo I think applejack may be nice.

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