Democrats Stop War

[dan-cat]

The Iraqi militants would form the government and things would go back pretty much the way they were under Sadim, except there still wouldn't be any weapons of mass destruction.

I hate to tell you this, but Iraq was a secular state before Bush/Blair took the plunge. There is no way that Iraq would faintly resemble the pre-allied version if they were to just withdraw.

 

[statsman]

I hate to tell you this, but Iraq was a secular state before Bush/Blair took the plunge. There is no way that Iraq would faintly resemble the pre-allied version if they were to just withdraw.

Mea culpa
My message should have read more along the lines of Iraq returning to some form of one party rule with a strongman at the top. Of course Iraq is secular.

 

[Kraj]

But after how much civil war? There's more than one strong, armed faction in Iraq.

 

[FoFa]

On the other hand, how many times does one political power get in promising one thing, then actually doing it?

 

[FoFa]

Also, what if any reason every given is not the real reason we are in Iraq?
Take a look at the following map.

Now just for thought, what if you wanted a significant military presence in the middle east (hypothetically)? You would want not that much gov. intervention (hence a country take over). You would want access to all or most of the countries by air without the refueling hassles. So would you not want something say right in the middle or as close as you could get?
Just thinking.

 

[scott-atkinson]

Guys,

I don't think it helps when the rest of the big powers in the world are divided as to what should be done in Iraq.

The Russians have their own problems, most of Europe does not give a hoot being lead on this by the French.

China has no vested interest as far as I can see.

I feel that the allied forces owe it to the Iraqi people to sort out the mess that they have created.

 

[Kraj]

Also, what if any reason every given is not the real reason we are in Iraq?...
Now just for thought, what if you wanted a significant military presence in the middle east (hypothetically)? You would want not that much gov. intervention (hence a country take over). You would want access to all or most of the countries by air without the refueling hassles. So would you not want something say right in the middle or as close as you could get?
Just thinking.

I'd be surprised if this is the case. Between Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Afghanistan, we have quite the military presence already. If I'm not mistaken, there have been aircraft carriers stationed in the area since the Gulf War, so easy aircraft access isn't much of an issue.

I'm no expert; you may be right. It just seems to me there are lots better (ie., more cost-effective, less politically risky, less draining on the country) ways to increase our established military presence in the Middle East than an ongoing military action in Iraq.

 

[dan-cat]

I think this had alot to do with it.

 

[jsanders]

Guys,




China has no vested interest as far as I can see.

.

Becasue they have long term contracts with Canada and Nicaragua

 

[statsman]

China's best trading partners are currently
1/ Japan
2/ The USA

 

[statsman]

Also, what if any reason every given is not the real reason we are in Iraq?
Take a look at the following map.
Now just for thought, what if you wanted a significant military presence in the middle east (hypothetically)? You would want not that much gov. intervention (hence a country take over). You would want access to all or most of the countries by air without the refueling hassles. So would you not want something say right in the middle or as close as you could get?
Just thinking.

It was my understanding the the US currently has large bases in
Saudi Arabia
and don't they pretty much own an entire island off the coast of Qatar?
These pretty much cover every contingancy.

 

[jsanders]

China's best trading partners are currently
1/ Japan
2/ The USA

I was refering to oil.

 

[Rich]

I was refering to oil.

And the Chinese didn't send an army in to try and get control of oil either, did they?

 

[jsanders]

And the Chinese didn't send an army in to try and get control of oil either, did they?

The day is young.

 

[Rich]

The day is young.

Maybe but then the Yanks will have used up all the worlds oil before they get the chance

 

[jsanders]

Maybe but then the Yanks will have used up all the worlds oil before they get the chance

Good, our strategy is working; long live the empire and to hell with the rest of the world.

 

[Rich]

Good, our strategy is working; long live the empire and to hell with the rest of the world.

Blessed are the Americans dear lord,
for they doth think they shall inherit thine earth

 

[jsanders]

Blessed are the Americans dear lord,
for they doth think they shall inherit thine earth

That happened after your failure to contain the Nazis.

 

[Rich]

That happened after your failure to contain the Nazis.

Or yours to contain the Japs

 

[Kraj]

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Yes it goes on and on, my friends.
Some people started singing it
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And now they keep on singing it
forever just because
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Yes it goes on and on, my friends.
Some people started singing it
not knowing what it was.
And now they keep on singing it
forever just because...