I now think B Obama is the best choice for America and the world

Thanks for dashing the hopes of the American Dream. That gives me no incentive to work or to work harder. If everyone felt this way of course we would have a loser society that I am now calling the "Gimme Society".

Thanks for putting everyone down and telling us we can't succeed. Your message is working, but you're not getting my vote.

-dK

So everyone in the bottom 97% is a failure???:rolleyes:
 
I'll respect Obama on these forums as much as Bush's detractors on these forums have respected him. That's not saying much.

Just getting tired of being beat up here for having a politcal view different than the prevailing (or squeaky wheel) view.


Bush has earned the criticism and disrespect he gets through his actions.
 
So everyone in the bottom 97% is a failure???:rolleyes:

You can label yourself a failure if you want, I prefer to keep my chin high, not wear labels, subscribe to any philosophy that paints me a loser, not have my hopes dashed before they are even realized, and tries to convince me I am dependant on something when I am not.

No thanks, I don't need your form or crack or any government chains you want to weigh me down with.

-dK
 
WHat point were you trying to make again?


When compared with current law, people earning $20,000-$50,000 a year will see their effective tax rates -- the amount of money the taxpayer actually ends up paying the government -- increase on average under Obama’s plan ...

Most households making $30,000-$75,000 will not see a reduction in their taxes under Obama’s plan relative to current law. In fact, the only strata that will see a majority of its effective tax burden reduced under Obama are those making less than $30,000 per year and those making $75,000-$200,000 per year.

How about that middle class? Left in the lurch again.

-dK
 
Even if a high income self employed/businessman did not have to pay income tax he would still pay lots of tax because of his spending and tax for employees.

Even without indirect taxes spending produces income tax because of the profit (and hence wages) generated by providing services or goods to the high earning person.

I don't know if America is the same but in Australia you have to take out of the persons wage their tax and send it to the tax department. In addition you have to make retirement payments for them, provide Workers Compensation (accident at work cover), provide facilities and whole pile of bullshit.

In reality the employee pays no income tax. It is the employer who pays. No employer, no job and thus no tax.
 
Bush has earned the criticism and disrespect he gets through his actions.

I would say the same about Obama but I can't. That is because Obama has had no actions as a result of his lack of experience and unwillingness to take a stand.

Here is where we have a real philosophical disconnect. I believe that it is impossible to make mistakes if you don't do anything.

Bush has been incredibly active and has made some mistakes. But not, in my opinion, the mistakes that he is accused so readily of on these forums.
 
I don't know if America is the same but in Australia you have to take out of the persons wage their tax and send it to the tax department.

Is the same, here. The employer withholds a portion of the employee check, matches that number and sends it all in to the tax department.

This was instituted I think under Eisenhower so instead of paying up at the end of the year, the government gets theirs before you get yours and blow it all to hand the government nothing.

-dK
 
Re: My taxes are a confiscated gift to you

You are again agreeing with Obama's plan, which is to raise tax levels back to what they were, once the immediate crisis has passed, as opposed to McCain's plan which is to not raise anybody's taxes ever regardless of the size of the deficit.

No, I don't agree with much of anything from Obama. If he wants to reduce the deficit, he should work on the spend side (after the current financial crisis), which is something I'm sure he doesn't want to do.

Or if he's really into change like he says he is, maybe he'd come up with something totally unconventional. There are plenty of unique "plans" out there that promise all kinds of things. Surely Obama thinks he's smart enough to do something unusual (i.e. change things).
 
Bush has been incredibly active and has made some mistakes. But not, in my opinion, the mistakes that he is accused so readily of on these forums.
I wonder if the poor innocent souls lost in Afghanistan and Iraq are so forgiving, oops silly me they're foreign and don't matter
 
I would say the same about Obama but I can't. That is because Obama has had no actions as a result of his lack of experience and unwillingness to take a stand.
What experience of leading a country has McCain?:confused:
 
I wonder if the poor innocent souls lost in Afghanistan and Iraq are so forgiving, oops silly me they're foreign and don't matter

So if you care so much about foreign peoples, why weren't you over there being a human shield like others preventing your country from bombing targets too?

-dK
 
So if you care so much about foreign peoples, why weren't you over there being a human shield like others preventing your country from bombing targets too?

-dK
Why the hell were you bombing them in the first place!
 
What experience of leading a country has McCain?:confused:

The same amount Obama has...zero.

However, while Obama was voting "present", McCain was taking a stand. McCain is decisive, a leader.

Obama has shown no leadership qualities and has done...nothing.
 
Barack oSama (I mean Obummer, I mean ...)

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Is it your mission to replay every republican lie about Obama that is out there? Because you are making a pretty good start, although you still have a long way to go.
 
So what I post is lies and what you post is not? HA! don't make me laugh. There's enough bullshi@ in here for both of us baby.
 

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