Immigration

[Kraj]

He's giving you the benefit of the doubt because you haven't suggested he's a lunatic.

Lol! Well, not recently at least.

 

[Rich]

And if this infestation continues the United States will resemble those countries with poverty rates in 20 plus percentile.

Is that the culture, we should aspire to become?

You know jj, you can't keep blaming the problems the US is facing at the minute on immigrants, they really are of your own making as a nation, you can't even tackle the Chinese on the massive deficit in trade with them because they are funding your absurd and unmanaged budget deficit.

 

[jsanders]

You know jj, you can't keep blaming the problems the US is facing at the minute on immigrants, they really are of your own making as a nation, you can't even tackle the Chinese on the massive deficit in trade with them because they are funding your absurd and unmanaged budget deficit.

Actually it’s a bet I know more about that than you think I do Richard.

The immigration problem is a drop in the bucket compared to the war in Iraq and trade deficit.

I’m going to start a new thread soon on that very subject.

Its going to pretty much going to be a summation of ALL of my raving for the last year.

 

[Rich]

Actually it’s a bet I know more about that than you think I do Richard.

The immigration problem is a drop in the bucket compared to the war in Iraq and trade deficit.

I’m going to start a new thread soon on that very subject.

Its going to pretty much going to be a summation of ALL of my raving for the last year.

Then why do you keep blaming immigrants for the US's current problems?

 

[KenHigg]

Then why do you keep blaming immigrants for the US's current problems?

If anyone needs an 'Immigration Specialist' just click on one of the 'Sponsored Links'...

Edit: Darn, they went away...

 

[jsanders]

Then why do you keep blaming immigrants for the US's current problems?

Thats what this thread is about
I try to stick to the subject.

 

[jsanders]

And it is part of the problem.

 

[Rich]

And it is part of the problem.

No it isn't

 

[jsanders]

No it isn't

Once again Rich, you're speaking from ignorance.

How can 20 million or 30 million illegal immigrants working for slave wages, NOT make a difference?

 

[Rich]

Once again Rich, you're speaking from ignorance.

How can 20 million or 30 million illegal immigrants working for slave wages, NOT make a difference?

What's that got to do with current demise of the US?
Would you rather more of your own firms switch production to China or India?
Are you suggesting protectionism, because that will hit you even harder?

 

[jsanders]

What's that got to do with current demise of the US?
Would you rather more of your own firms switch production to China or India?
Are you suggesting protectionism, because that will hit you even harder?

That's what the fascist have been telling us for years, and during that same time period manufacturing went from 30% or our economy to 17% and still declining. And agricultural imports equaled exports for the first time in history.

You guys have some of the strongest protectionist laws in the world and during that same period your middle class has gotten stronger.

 

[Rich]

You guys have some of the strongest protectionist laws in the world and during that same period your middle class has gotten stronger.

No we don't, our middle class has grown stronger because Thatcher came along and had the guts to tackle the basic roots of our problems.
It's true that a great many fine people suffered enormous hardship at the time, but her philosophy changed a nations perception, we are now a generation later reaping the benefits of those changes that she instilled, although of course left wingers wouldn't admit it.

 

[Pat Hartman]

How can 20 million or 30 million illegal immigrants working for slave wages, NOT make a difference?

Being a butcher is one of the most dangerous jobs a person can do. In 1980 the average wage was $19 per hour. Now, 26 years later, the meat cutters in the large packaging plants are for the most part hispanic (legal and illegal) and the average wage is $9 per hour. Consumers on the other hand are paying 300% higher prices for meat. Tell me that the availablity of illegal labor didn't make a difference. Similar wage drops are happing in the building industry and we all know what has happened to the price of housing. Somehow the labor savings end up in the pockets of those higher on the food chain than the end consumer.

 

[ColinEssex]

It seems to me that the USA should build a wall between USA and Mexico. To save costs, you could use illegal immigrants from Mexico to build it

Col

 

[Bodisathva]

But...if they stay on the Mexican side of the wall, you can't actually call it illegal immigrant labor...more like foreign employment subsidies and a US contribution to the lagging economy of Mexico

We could even make sure that they're still on the Mexican side of the wall when they finish it

 

[ColinEssex]

But...if they stay on the Mexican side of the wall, you can't actually call it illegal immigrant labor...more like foreign employment subsidies and a US contribution to the lagging economy of Mexico

We could even make sure that they're still on the Mexican side of the wall when they finish it

No no, you're not thinking about this - you just do what you do now, and exploit the illegal immigrants for 16hrs a day building the wall. Then when its done send them back through one of the checkpoints (like checkpoint Charlie)

Never mind the Mexican economy - they make enough out of Americans on cruise ships to Mexico you can't just give it away - you've got wars to fund, remember?

Col

 

[Bodisathva]

No no, you're not thinking about this - you just do what you do now, and exploit the illegal immigrants for 16hrs a day

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's not like we have goon squads rounding them up and forcing them to come here.

Then when its done send them back through one of the checkpoints (like checkpoint Charlie)

Yep...and they will be forced to relinquish...say...30% of whatever they have earned during their stay...we'll call it an "i-n-c-o-m-e t-a-x"

you can't just give it away - you've got wars to fund, remember?

...not my war, friend... and I'm not the only one who finds it a complete tragedy but is not in a position to change the status quo.

 

[Rich]

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it's not like we have goon squads rounding them up and forcing them to come here.

No but I thought the minutemen were supposed to be rounding them up and sending them back

 

[Bodisathva]

I don't know about "rounding them up" but I have seen news pieces on our new volunteer border patrols

 

[Pat Hartman]

The volunteers do not approach the migrants. They are not empowered to make arrests. They call the official border patrol. As I understand it, the volunteers are basically working as spotters.