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Among his other shortcomings, (with reference to you link), I say this would be true for Col:



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Just kidding Col...:)

like I said - if one can't take it don't give it out.

Why not post a picture of your actual bike

Col
 
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too much chrome:eek: no wonder you only ride in decent weather...keeping it clean and shiny must be a fulltime job:D
 
That last statement of yours is so true, racism is rife particularly in the Southern USA, everyone knows it, it'll always be there - the whites hate the blacks and think they should be lesser people. And from the documentaries I've seen, the more "christian" you are, the worse you become. Thats why New Orleans is still in ruins - the whites with the money don't give a toss about the blacks down there.
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There you go being ignorant again.

First, racism concentrated in the USA Deep South is a stereotype that has long been disproven. Racism has no preferred region. It operates everywhere. Detroit (certainly not deep south), Boston (not deep south last I looked), and Los Angeles (south but not the "deep south" implied in the reference) have all had race riots long after integration was imposed on the southern states. As an issue of fairness, it SHOULD have been imposed but there was too much social inertia. But that was 50 years ago. (51, actually).

I've seen reports about Haitian and other black immigrants to England who don't find it to be the land of milk and honey, either. The problem is, of course, that news media seek HEADLINES, not ho-hum news. The really good things that happen usually get buried in the back sections of the newspaper because, in most cases, GOOD NEWS DOESN'T SELL. So when you hear all sorts of reports about racism from the USA, remember that it is not within the vested interests of newspapers to leave well enough alone.

Then there was that crack about why New Orleans is so slow to rebuild. And you attribute this to race? bzzzzzz Wrong answer. It is that most basic of evils, love of money. The insurance companies are withholding money from ALL persons equally. They are not locally managed, so OF COURSE they have no care about the area. But it ain't racially motivated. They are lining their pockets. I have to be careful here because my blood pressure rises just thinking about those bastards.

You might have heard someone from Louisiana's recovery board in a recent news conference making ignorant statements about racial divides and such. The raw truth is that the person making the statement is desperately playing the race card because no other card is working to disgorge money from the insurance robbers - I mean... companies.

I live in New Orleans, Col, so don't tell ME what is the holdup in our rebuilding process. Pure, plain, and simple, it is the pissing match as everyone tries to point to someone else as being the one to make the big payout. Nobody wants to pay out the amount of money implied by their policies. NONE of the big insurance carriers are honoring their moral obligations, and they mealy-mouth their way around legal obligations with bizarre interpretations of English or outright lies.

Look at the lawsuits in Mississippi (Gulf Coast region) where - as an isolated example that is actually not so isolated - one damage report for a given house says wind caused the house to be blown off its foundations. But then Allstate had someone rewrite the report to say the damage was due to storm surge, which is rising water, which is someone else's policy. Even though the person who wrote the report had NEVER VISITED THE SITE! Allstate doesn't want to pay the wind damage so they materially altered the report to say the problem was something they don't cover. That point is being brought out in trial now. The report of the trial was issued by the Associated Press in today's N'Awlins newspaper. I'm not making it up.

Now if you want to bash the radical Christians... I'm with you. They are very insular. They don't like blacks. Don't like gays. Don't like Moslems. Don't like Jews. Probably don't like foreigners either - like the cheeky UK buggers such as you, Col. But most USA people who are passively Christian or are at worst moderate Christians aren't particularly racist. And radical ANYTHING is probably not good. Like, ... radical Islamic, radical Jewish, radical Catholic, radical Zoroastrian, radical Buddhist (can there be such a thing?), etc. Moderation in all things is the best approach.
 
Then there is the issue of Don Imus and his "nappy-headed ho" comment.

"Nappy headed" in this context refers to natural black hair, which is often described as kinky or very tightly curled. "Nap" is also a reference to the surface of felt or other fibrous materials formed by pressure on loosely agglomerated threads. (Look up the term "felt napper" or "felt knapper" to see what I mean.) The women's team in question is also multi-racial, so their hair would not be uniformly nappy. However, Don Imus is old enough that he probably remembers a derogatory term that is alliterative - "nappy-headed N*****."

My dad used that term a couple of times and I had to ask him what he meant by it. I didn't understand - until I learned about bigotry. That was one place where my dad and I parted company. People have enough misery in life without my adding to it by being bigoted against them.

"Ho" is, as has been mentioned, a colloquial variant of "*****" - which is not a nice way to describe women trying to better themselves by going to college and getting an education.

Imus is noted for being irreverent. But the problem there is that irreverence is only one step away from insensitive. And as has correctly been stated, when there is a chance for someone to add a few more minutes to their "15 minutes of fame" (thanks, Andy Warhol, for the concept), they trot out the race card and pound the drum loudly again. They come out of the woodwork like the cockroaches they are. But ask them to do something like speak to black neighborhoods about turning in hoodlums or alerting police or becoming witnesses to crimes ... forget it, they are too busy making more headlines.

If Imus talks about the insensitivity of the black rapper culture and its frequent references to a "ho" and how to treat her (very unkindly), he is right. But ... until that criticism takes hold from the INSIDE of the black culture, he is merely spittin' in the wind.

As to why young white kids adopt black ways, I have an opinon. It is just a new way for kids to aggravate their parents. It is a statement that "I don't want to be like you, I want to be different." Teen angst, teen rebellion, teen strategy to maximize the irritation factor with their parents. At least, IMHO that is what is going on.

When the kids who had adopted that behavior and dress code suddenly have to enter the working world, they change very quickly because no employer puts up with crappy, derogatory, divisive behavior. And money talks louder than teen angst. Which is why I believe I am closer to right than some folks are on the motivation.

Let's add one more issue regarding racism. Poor blacks here don't like the Hispanics because they are displacing the blacks as the largest minority. Also, many of the Hispanic people in the USA are hard workers. OK, they have their share of bums, but no more than their share. And they are willing to take jobs that even blacks don't want, which makes it harder still for the blacks to play the "poor me" card. Because now there is another group who started poor but who, because of their willingness to work, have improved their lot in life considerably. And in the process, exposed that percentage of lazy persons of ALL races for the bums and low-lifes that they really are.
 
I can only operate on what is given out by the USA in their media.
For example - Its no good giving the impression most Americans carry a gun, then get all pissy when challenged about it. Or you walk down a street and you're lucky to get home without being mugged / killed / shot / or beaten by the cops.
If Americans don't like their image then don't glamourise it and beam it out worldwide

Col

Like this ?

“The Pima County Attorney’s Office has decided two Tucson police officers were justified in shooting a 14-year-old boy who was driving a stolen 40-ton earthmover through the city.” http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/crime/
 
Doc - thanks for the excellent replies. Its a refreshing change to have such a civil response from an American.

I understand about the insurance companies thing - but I can't help wondering what would have happened if Katrina did its thing in Washington or Los Angeles, you can almost guarantee that things, like the clear up and rebuilding would be done bloody sharpish.
There was a programme on the BBC about it a while back, in essence they indicated that as it was a "poorer" area of the USA and GWB and his cronies had no real interest in rebuilding or putting pressure on to get it cleared, its as if he couldn't care less about it.

Notice how quickly the twin towers were cleared in NY

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The phrases "nappy headed" and "ho" are mostly (I would guess) unknown in the UK as is this geezer Imus. Thats why Kens link to the story appeared to me to be in a foreign language, it uses phrases that I (and maybe many others) haven't ever heard.
To me, it just seemed odd that in a land where racism is rife - white teens want to be like their black colleagues. Thats why I posted the pic of the Minstrels, it reminded me of that show where they dressed up as stereotypical blacks and sang "black" railroad building songs like in "Blazing Saddles".
I remember at school, we had to learn a song called "Old Zip Coon", anyone know it? Its about a black man who works from sun up to sun down, probobly in them old cotton fields back home.

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You say about Haitians etc in the UK not finding it easy going - don't forget the Eastern Europeans too. There's no doubt that many "British" jobs are being taken by these immigrants (legal or otherwise) and there is unrest bubbling about the Brits being dismissed and "foreigners" being employed instead.

Col
 
Who said the UK was the land of milk and honey anyway?:confused:

Isn't America the land of the free and of opportunity? Thats what they always drone on about - the "American Dream".

Col
 
Rich said:
“The Pima County Attorney’s Office has decided two Tucson police officers were justified in shooting a 14-year-old boy who was driving a stolen 40-ton earthmover through the city.”

why is it not surprising that the gun wielding American cops get off a murder charge. Life seems so cheap in the USA - except for the twin towers spouses who got a windfall of $5,000,000.

As Joan Rivers mused, now whats better, a spouse in a dead marriage or a dead spouse and $5million dollars in the bank.

Col
 
you stir up trouble and resentment...

That's the same label you attached to those complaining about this gross insult in the first place, isn't it? In fact it seems to me that anyone who points out that the US is not the "perfect nation" is likely to be a target for insults from the white man in the US:rolleyes:
 
It is that most basic of evils, love of money. The insurance companies are withholding money from ALL persons equally. They are not locally managed, so OF COURSE they have no care about the area. But it ain't racially motivated.

Aren't they predominantly owned and run by the "whites"?:confused:
 
Here's my Pan.

Col
 

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That's the same label you attached to those complaining about this gross insult in the first place, isn't it? In fact it seems to me that anyone who points out that the US is not the "perfect nation" is likely to be a target for insults from the white man in the US:rolleyes:

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I have pointed out the the US is not the perfecr country - but I have tried to level the field - by also pointing out that the UK is also imperfect --
if any critism is levelled at the States them you should use that same lelve of critisism at your own country (Me being a brit - the UK)
I have highlight points that I think the US failins in and also in comparisiment where the UK fails -- it is easy to critise - it hard to complent

the UK has a histroy of bing more accpecting of Johnny foreighner (typo0 - however at the moment - here is a felling that some countries are taking the p*ss on this and that jobs within the UK are going to "Johnny"- however to counterbalance this - soemtimes these workers do a damn sight better than the local workers - taking in point brick layers - I have seen recently a local bricklayer and a foreign bricker layer by far the best was the foreigner the same with plumbers - the cost of a brit plumber compared to a polish plumber ( taking out the corgi bit) and the level of work ....

what is annoying the brit's is that there is a percentage of foriengers (Black and white so no race card here) that are turning up and insisting that they be housed, feed, free health service tand that all of this be laid out for them in their own laungage (typo0 - this is on a personal note (1) rude (2) costly and very annoying

If I go to another country I would learn that laungauge (although from my spelling - I have quite learnt english0
i would not expect the country to fit to my expectations , no i would mold myself to it...
to level this out again - look at the Brits in Spain - you have whole towns that are mini britian - and they represent the worst of what we are - they efuse to learn spanish , eat only pie and chips - ingnoring the vast diversity of spanish culture ..


again I ramble

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if any critism is levelled at the States them you should use that same lelve of critisism at your own country (Me being a brit - the UK)

I do, frequently

I have highlight points that I think the US failins in and also in comparisiment where the UK fails -- it is easy to critise - it hard to complent

I have seen recently a local bricklayer and a foreign bricker layer by far the best was the foreigner the same with plumbers - the cost of a brit plumber compared to a polish plumber ( taking out the corgi bit) and the level of work ....
You're missing quite a few points here
A/ Immigrant workers tend to live in multiple occupancy groups and don't face the costs of trying to raise a family in the UK
B/They do not have to comply with the same rules as self employed workers in the UK, especially visa vis corgi membership and regulation, public liability insurance etc.etc
Let's have an even playing field if comparisons are to be made.
 
B/They do not have to comply with the same rules as self employed workers in the UK, especially visa vis corgi membership and regulation, public liability insurance etc.etc
Let's have an even playing field if comparisons are to be made.

If Corgi Resgistered professionals are starting to complain about being undercut - then I think the vast majority of people in the UK will be pleased.

Corgi costs a fortune - anything that brings the cost to the consumer down whilst maintaining standards is good. The more Eastern Europeans the better.

Are Corgi engineers not like doctors who have stiched it up for themsleves to be payed massively more than the market rate?
 

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