Lets Stop George Bush before he Destroys the Whole Planet Earth. (1 Viewer)

[FoFa]

Democraps, eh? Hmmm... guess I'll start calling you a Repubican.

Actually, I am more a Conservative (not the bastardized use of the extrem right wing) I vote for who I think better serves my beliefs in a certain priority list.

 

[FoFa]

But we can't move on until these problems are sorted out. We do have your welfare at heart and our own of course

It's not your job to sort them out. AND since most of your observation as so WRONG in general, it is making things worse

 

[Kraj]

But we can't move on until these problems are sorted out.

You are so right. I mean, it's like every single conversation in the history of humanity that didn't miraculously solve all social problems in one fell swoop were just a waste of time.

Amusingly enough, since in the UK to "sort out" is slang for "beat up", I think you've accomplished your goal. We can all agree that you've beaten the topic to death.

 

[Pauldohert]

My boss told me he would sort me out for a rise.

No pain no gain I guess.

 

[dan-cat]

But we can't move on until these problems are sorted out.

Is that a royal we?

 

[Rich]

It's not your job to sort them out.

From an American, pot black kettle, ring any bells?

 

[Rich]

You are so right.

I know

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Rich:

You mean we have segregation, whites only, no blacks in school, etc, etc?

And by implication, we still have that?

False except to this extent only. If you have no blacks living in a school district, the odds are you will have no blacks in the schools of that district. If no blacks choose to live in a given area, that is their choice. Admittedly, some aberrant cases apply, such as the number of poor people living in a really well-to-do area and the proportions for such areas are perhaps a little off-average.

But the larger picture is that average communities with a normal mix of races will not have systemic segregation.

Rich, for once I have to say this: Express your opinions all you want, but SHUT YOUR PIE-HOLE about things that happen on our side of the pond unless you have PERSONALLY witnessed them in a way that excludes the chance that you missed something. Stuff you hear through the media often happens to be very badly slanted/spun by anti-Americans. It is at best hearsay evidence that wouldn't stand up in court for longer than it took a lawyer to say "I Object!"

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Colin:

well its odd that when Clinton had a little grope with Monica there were huge calls for impeachment.
The next Prez kills thousands and is a total twat and makes the USA the laughing stock and makes everyone hate the USA yet nothing is said. . . . . . . .

Actually, this is in line with one of my OWN rants... We let kids see violence but heavens forfend that we should ever mention ..... SEX {gasp} in their vicinity. So kids grow up knowing how to kill in a classic Myriad of ways - but don't know what to do when confronted with a willing and healthy partner. Because Dad let little Tony watch the gangsta movies and war movies and slasher movies all he wanted... but the moment the child went to the X-rated channels, Dad bashed the kid up the side of the head for daring to want to see female anatomy.

This is because there is an obsession against sex and sexuality that comes from overly uptight religious types who are easily willing to misdirect us.

But I digress...

Colin, Bill was WASTEFUL - look at all those perfectly good cigars he ruined.

(C'mon folks. Look for tongue deeply in cheek.)

 

[Rich]

Stuff you hear through the media often happens to be very badly slanted/spun by anti-Americans. It is at best hearsay evidence that wouldn't stand up in court for longer than it took a lawyer to say "I Object!"

Standard American response to legitimate criticism, wheel out the standard "anti American" diatribe.

Still what would a stupid "anti American" Brit know anyway
Try reading some for yourself
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5563891

 

[FoFa]

Standard American response to legitimate criticism, wheel out the standard "anti American" diatribe.

Still what would a stupid "anti American" Brit know anyway
Try reading some for yourself
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5563891

If it ends in .ORG or .GOV, it is to biased

 

[Rich]

If it ends in .ORG or .GOV, it is to biased

So the facts are inaccurate?

 

[Bodisathva]

You ever hear of a little thing called "Reverse Discrimination"? It was the inevitable byproduct of the implementation of Affirmative Action. All AA did was create a system where people were not given jobs, admitted to schools, etc. because they were actually qualified, but because of the color of their skin or their gender. Institutions were given quotas to meet and lost government favor if they didn't. Their positions were required to be filled by certain percentages of blacks and females...regardless of the actual qualifications of the applicant, gender and race took precedence to fill the needed slots.

The number of black students at UCLA has been falling for years, partly due to a ballot measure that ended racial preferences in admissions.
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According to Connerly, the prestige of a UC diploma has upped the ante for everyone. Last year, more than 45,000 students applied to UCLA. Connerly says there are simply too few blacks who make the grade on the only standard that should count: academic merit.

As a white, heterosexual, male (which is now the minority group in the US) all I can say is it's a bout time.

as Doc says...until you know all of the facts...

 

[Rich]

All AA did was create a system where people were not given jobs, admitted to schools, etc. because they were actually qualified, but because of the color of their skin or their gender. ..

You mean the system that replaced the system that denied people jobs because of the colour of their skin?

 

[Bodisathva]

You mean the system that replaced the system that denied people jobs because of the colour of their skin?

Frankly, yes. Giving or denying positions based upon skin color or gender is not a solution. You cannot make up for discriminatory actions by performing more discriminatory actions...ever heard of 2 wrongs do not make a right? Creating a fair system, not a biased one, should have been the goal.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Colin

Does the US government think of peoples values before they bomb them? NO

Did the terrorists think of people's values when they ran planes into buildings? NO. Did they think about the idea that many of the people in those towers would have been happy with a live-and-let-live relationship with their countries? NO. Is there ANY way to handle terrorists other than appeasement or eradication? So far, no one has found a long-term, successful middle ground... Do any of you remember the name Clement Atlee? (Sorry if I spelled it wrong) Do any of you understand that appeasement is an invitation to ask... nay DEMAND ... more - until it turns into a demand for all you have, and it STILL doesn't stop?

Does the US think of other peoples values whilst they ignore the Kyoto agreement for payment of backhanders?

Does the US think of other peoples values whilst stockpiling oil so "we'll be ok" when things get tight?

Do any of you understand that the United States is actually working on issues parallel to, but not identical with, the Kyoto treaty? We don't agree with the specific measures required by the treaty. So? If we are working towards improvement at the best pace we can manage, that isn't wrong, is it?

Our goal is to clean things up WITHOUT forcing companies to close. Our system doesn't allow us to do that without considering the number of people we force onto the welfare and unemployment rosters. Factor that into your comments before harping too loudly on this issue.

Do any of you realize that the punitive measures of the Kyoto treaty are so Draconian for the USA that the treaty itself is a slap? Do any of you realize that stockpiling ANYTHING - oil, food, medicine - is prudent activity to take in anticipation of a crisis? In other words, a realistic assessment of threats...

Does the US think of other peoples values arming Israel to kill innocent people and children on their behalf?

The USA has a unique heritage in some ways, not so unique in others. To us, it is parallel to the old Chinese proverb about fishing: Give a man a fish, feed him for a day; teach him how to fish, feed him for a lifetime. As to Israel killing innocent people on our behalf, that is purely unadulterated CRAP. Colin, if you listen to the the terrorist states, they openly admit their goal is the elimination of the "Zionist" state. We are helping our friends defend themselves. Most of the time we don't care what the Islamic nations do. But when they shoot at our friends, we help.

Does anyone remember the lend-lease program during WW2 when the USA gave (excuse me, "loaned" at low interest with low probability of payback) lots of stuff to our UK friends? My dad worked at the Higgins Shipyards making the cargo ships that brought the UK some of that stuff. Do you perhaps see the parallel between us sending materials to the UK and sending materials to Israel, both of whom were in a fight for their lives at the time?

Are you going to tell us that you really think we should have left it to you guys on the other side of the pond to kill the Germans for us? Or perhaps we should have stopped the aid and let your government learn German. OPEN YOUR BLOODY EYES!

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I think I finally understand Colin and Rich. The strategy is to just keep throwing crap until the other side gives up in frustration and goes away. Then you declare victory.

Sounds like Hezbollah, doesn't it.

That wasn't a question.

 

[Bodisathva]

Sounds like Hezbollah, doesn't it.

The strategy is to just keep throwing shiite until the other side gives up in frustration and goes away. Then you declare victory​

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[The_Doc_Man]

I can quote exactly the same argument for people like that in my own country, however lumping a whole race together and branding them scroungers isn't acceptable or proof that they simply don't want to work.
If they can get more staying at home then there's something wrong with your wage/taxation structure.

The first part of this statement is why we complain when you accuse us of suppressing blacks. We have as many - or more - poor people who aren't black. We are trying to progress but there are those who won't cooperate. At what point do you take the Draconian solution of telling them, "Work or starve" ? Hey, I'll be the first to admit the USA has problems and they do hit blacks hard. But they hit whites, Hispanics, and Orientals hard, too, if those persons are poor and don't want to work. ANYBODY who tries to play the system gets things they shouldn't get. If they also get reviled, who gives a flying foo-bar?


And I absolutely agree with your comment about something being wrong with our tax/wage/welfare structure. Which is WHY the USA Democratic Party isn't in power right now. They are the biggest proponents (and the ones who tend to rely most on "gratitude" from the recipients) of an extensive welfare system.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Ignores the UN.

Bush SHOULD ignore the U.N. - it is toothless. Were it not that the goal of world peace is desirable, the U.N. would have become obsolete (on its other fronts) long ago. Look, for example, at their SPLENDID progress in Darfur. Look, for example, at their SPLENDID control of the Hutu/Tutsi conflict. Look, for example, at their EXCELLENT progress in controlling piracy in the Indian Ocean. Look, for example, at their WONDERFUL results in providing a platform for peace in the Middle East. Shall I continue?

Look at the U.N. for its trade organization that CONTINUALLY bashes the USA. Yes, when we stand up for our share of rights, we sometimes get thrown a bone like a barking dog - but when we complain up, down, and sideways about protectionist countries, what happens? Zip.

If it were left up to me, the U.N. would have disbanded a long time ago, to be replaced by something that has enough teeth to really work. Because, you see (or perhaps the problem is that you DON'T see), when you have a world with nations that almost openly support terrorists, wagging your finger at them and saying, "No, no, naughty, naughty" is useless. But the members of the U.N. won't vote to give up enough sovreignty to allow anything much stronger to happen. And a slap on the wrist isn't enough sometimes.