Mask vs Corona virus. Wear or Not.

Calling other forum members stupid. You must just love being banned.
 
Vassago said:
You can try to justify Trump any way you want. He hasn't condemned them RECENTLY. Doesn't really matter what he did in 2000. It's disgusting that even his own supporters can't call him out for his BS. I'm not a supporter of either of them, but even of I liked them, I don't have to defend every action they take. Neither do you
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He just "denounced white sup*emacy" a week ago. Must he do it daily?

He also condemned the Proud boys, although I'm not entirely sure why - according to them, they don't believe in anything wrong.
 
Vassago said:
Calling other forum members stupid. You must just love being banned.
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After you just called Trump supporters Disgusting on the previous page?

I'm starting to think everyone throws the word hypocrisy around, failing to realize it belongs to all of us sometimes. :cautious:
 
Watching people argue about politics/politicians is like watching the Special Olympics. There is a winner but all participants are still retarded...
 
Isaac said:
After you just called Trump supporters Disgusting on the previous page?

I'm starting to think everyone throws the word hypocrisy around, failing to realize it belongs to all of us sometimes. :cautious:
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I didn't call them disgusting. I called the lack of action disgusting.
 
NauticalGent said:
Watching people argue about politics/politicians is like watching the Special Olympics. There is a winner but all participants are still retarded...
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That's why I try to stay away from politically motivated discussions here. This place was better without them.
 
Vassago said:
That's why I try to stay away from politically motivated discussions here. This place was better without them.
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They have their use if everyone could just keep the emotion out if it. Us "regular" people fighting over which side sucks the least plays right into their plan; have us focused on each other rather than the real source of the problem.
 
Vassago said:
That's why I try to stay away from politically motivated discussions here. This place was better without them.
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That's like me saying I don't use memes. Some of us have been around a while
 
The real source is all of our "choices" suck. The powers that be that decide our "choices" suck. Yet, the majority still keep voting them in.
 
Wearing a mask helps, but still one has to question the rationale behind the mask mantra. Neil Cavuto asked a doctor the "simple" question of masks improving people safety at so-called super-spreader events. The expected answer of course was a resounding emphatic "yes". But to her credit she said that the positive safety effect of wearing masks at these super-spreader events was less than projected. Well OK, still positive.

After she answered, Neil had the foresight to ask a really good follow-up question. He noted that in other countries, implementing strict mask protocols plus distancing, that cases are rising (spiking). Well at that point the doctor went into "damage control". To paraphrase: "Well, we don't know this ...., we need to examine this ... other factors... etc." The net take-away from this is that we really don't have a handle on the efficacy of masks.

Masks are better than nothing, but those pushing a fear based mask mandate and other aggressive actions are being overbearing.
 
Of course it's better to not be in a crowd at all. The masks I think are more useful during tasks like grocery shopping and going to appointments where the close proximity won't be in the dozens at once. That's why they recommend not just masks, but social distancing and smaller groups.
 
The issue of whether to wear a mask or not, is a legitimate question. But this question has hijacked by much of the media to spread fear. This concern was recently expressed by Kirstie Alley -->> Kirstie Alley slams CNN in pandemic feud: 'This how fake information spreads'. Ms. Alley's theme is that CNN suppresses valid news, such as the disclosures of Mr. Bobulinski in favor of inciting public fear.

My editorial add-on. Biden on the campaign trail (falsely) claims that Trump has done nothing to gain control over the virus. CNN, to enhance those false claims by Biden, pushes the mask related fear hysteria. This is simply another unfortunate case of the media selectively pushing a theme to damage the Trump campaign. Wearing a mask is appropriate, but that rationale has been hijacked by the media to tilt the election in Biden's favor. A very nasty abuse of the news by much of the media.
 
Well, the media and the majority of medical experts including those on infectious disease.
 
What has Trump done to get the virus under control, in your opinion?
 
Vassago said:
What has Trump done to get the virus under control, in your opinion?
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He started to immediately mobilize resources such as mobile hospitals, immigration controls, and implementing the development of anti-virus vaccine. Trump started acting around Feb. 1, 2020 and the Democrats did not wake-up to this problem until late March. In the meantime, Democrats wasted valuable time on a phony impeachment effort that failed.

Conversely, Biden/Pelosi initially said nothing to see here (until late March) and condemned Trumps actions instead of supporting them.

Next there is the issue of the federal level and the state level. Trump has limited authority to act in many respects. A lot of the implementation has to be done at the State level. Note that Cuomo exacerbated the deaths by sending infected elderly people back into nursing homes. Many of the Democratic governors are still keeping their states shut-down. The failures of the Democratic governors in managing the virus in their states cannot be attributed to Trump.

Also, don't forget that initial response to any crises tends to be chaotic. It takes a while to figure out a strategy. Look at the number of times the "experts" changed their minds on the efficacy of wearing a mask. The changing evolving recommendations of "experts" should not be used as "hammer" for political gain. What was "true" yesterday may not be "true" tomorrow as "experts" learn more. Not to also mention that it is "easy" to criticize and find fault after-the-fact.

Below is an example where Trump was blamed for failing to follow changing "science", but Biden was given a pass.
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Sometimes it takes a bit of time before partisan points surface that demonstrate that the debates are blatantly anti-Trump. On Tucker Carlson tonight Tucker played a clip where the moderator (Kristen Welker) pointed out that Trump had made a derogatory comment concerning Dr. Fauci and asked him to explain. Fair enough.
  • It turns out that both Biden and Harris also made derogatory remarks concerning Dr. Fauci. These illustrative clips were shown on Tucker's show. How come the moderator never pointed out to Biden his derogatory remarks and asked him to explain?
  • The video clips Tucker showed, since they spanned several months, had Dr. Fauci making inconsistent statements: like wear a mask, don't wear a mask. I don't have a problem with those types of inconsistent statements since how we approach the virus changes over time as we learn more. What I do have a problem with, is that Biden insincerously claims to strictly follow "the science" and used that "hammer" to vilify Trump, by saying that Trump has not been following "the science" and is therefore unfit to be re-elected. Seems that it is Biden, by misusing facts is the one unfit to be elected.
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Trump has noted that Biden is only weakly proposing to copy what Trump has implemented already. From what I have seen Biden has no actual plan. In fact Biden said he would shut-down the economy, based on science. Well the virus is spiking again and Europe has implemented new shutdowns. By implication, that means Biden, should he win, will shutdown the economy again. Can we stand it?


@Vassago please explain what Biden could have done better.
 
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