Mask vs Corona virus. Wear or Not.

[Steve R.]

Well, the media and the majority of medical experts including those on infectious disease.

That is not a response to my post, as I was not questioning that concern. This is no longer about what the medical experts say, but about the media hijacking the mask narrative as a means of "endorsing" Biden.

 

[Vassago]

I'm not reading a book report attacking Democrats. Why is it that any time anyone says Trump didn't do something well, all his defenders want to do is attack the other party?
That wasn't the question. If you could try responding without mentioning Democrats, it would he an interesting read.

And FOR THE LAST F**KING TIME... I'M NOT A BIDEN SUPPORTER! I don't like Democrats any more than Republicans. To hell with explaining what he would have done better. I can't and wouldn't want to.

Most every country out there did better than we did. As a whole with this stupid fight between the two parties, we don't get a damn thing done right. Trump and Biden are both abysmal for the country and the parties backing them can die off already. We need people to think for themselves again instead of everyone voting for who sucks the least.

 

[Sun_Force]

But this question has hijacked by much of the media to spread fear.

I already said it in my first post. You're not afraid enough. That's why you have the first figures in death and infection. Trump started his move against Corona with nonsense tweets. It will be over in a week or two. Really? Anyone's asking him why it's not over yet?
One of the most phrases I hear is "That was to stop a social panic".
All the countries I know, made their people to know how infectious and dangerous it may be. They made sure people are afraid enough to take care.
Trump stopped the panic, and is facing 24k death, 9 million infections. Korea tried to be sure everybody knows it's not a game, and has only 468 deaths.
And you asking what he could do? Are you serious?

please explain what Biden could have done better.

You're not listening. I already told you.

Just look at what the leaders of the countries with better situation have done for their people. They have more populated cities than NYC or LA, with more population density, yet very low death infections. Korea has 468 death and was the second country to announce the infection.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 106,712,679 Cases and 2,327,942 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

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[Steve R.]

You're not listening. I already told you.

Just look at what the leaders of the countries with better situation have done for their people. They have more populated cities than NYC or LA, with more population density, yet very low death infections. Korea has 468 death and was the second country to announce the infection.

Coronavirus Update (Live): 106,712,679 Cases and 2,327,942 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

Citing statistics says nothing about what is being done "better". Only that a number of people have died.

 

[Sun_Force]

Citing statistics says nothing about what is being done "better". Only that a number of people have died.

I fail to understand what you mean.
Doesn't less dead, less infection mean better strategy against the enemy?

If the result doesn't count then what does count?

 

[Steve R.]

I fail to understand what you mean.
Doesn't less dead, less infection mean better strategy against the enemy?

If the result doesn't count then what does count?

Results count, but getting better results means explaining how you get the better results. So what would Biden do that is better than what Trump has done and continues to do.

 

[Sun_Force]

Results count, but getting better results means explaining how you get the better results. So what would Biden do that is better than what Trump has done and continues to do.

I'm not talking about Trump vs Biden. I'm talking about US vs World.
US had a poor outcome because of a poor policy against Covid. Was it Trump or Biden's fault? Who was in power? What I know is US have more than 24K death and you are still fighting over Trump is wrong or Biden is wrong. Too many lost lives and nobody cares.

These 24K dead is the result of Trump's poor decisions. Because he was and is the-man-in-power. I don't know what would had happened IF, again IF Biden was in power or if his policy was better. Or IF he wins the election he shows any better results or not.
But even if Biden does worst, or the same, it doesn't mean Trump's decisions were correct.

How can you close your eyes on the current results and blame Biden for his solution wouldn't do better?
Does Biden's solution/policy being wrong, makes Trump's any better?

 

[Vassago]

Trump supporters can't. All they can do is attack the other party and candidate when you question what Trump did right.

 

[AccessBlaster]

Trump supporters can't. All they can do is attack the other party and candidate when you question what Trump did right.

Steve answered the question, the Biden supporters refuse to acknowledge it.

He started to immediately mobilize resources such as mobile hospitals, immigration controls, and implementing the development of anti-virus vaccine. Trump started acting around Feb. 1, 2020 and the Democrats did not wake-up to this problem until late March. In the meantime, Democrats wasted valuable time on a phony impeachment effort that failed.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I love this tactic "answer my question or else your questions are nullified".

 

[Isaac]

What has Trump done to get the virus under control, in your opinion?

I can't resist an answer to this one.

The only things that actually CAN be done, without ruining the entire nation economically for the next lifetime.

• Pushed the heck out of the vaccine race, as we well know beyond anything Democrats would have ever done, because the main strategy available was to eliminate a lot of regulations and pare it down to the bare minimum clinical trials. I'd guess if we had a Democrat instead of Trump, the vaccine would still be 2-3 years away. Of course, he also pumped billions into it.
• Shipped tons of resources where they were needed.
• Travel bans
• Refuses to let people go so draconian in their responses such as to make 1 unit of harm become 3 units of harm
• Keeps enough of a focus on the source of the virus (China) to support the long term benefits of this--because if we're smart, we're already thinking to ourselves, "This may happen again, how do we prevent rogue labs from nations who could care less"

The better question is, what in the world would Biden do that hasn't already been done!??? He claims he will "crush" and "shut down" the virus. That sounds even more stupid than when Trump said it would disappear. Because at least Trump was technically correct-the virus will disappear some day.

How will Biden "crush" the virus in any new way? A duel? Boxing match? So retarded.

 

[Isaac]

Does Biden's solution/policy being wrong, makes Trump's any better?

Yes. It does.

Because the only thing all of this talk comes down to is who to vote for, practically speaking, it's our only influence.

There are only 2 people on the ballot for president, unless you want to write-in Big Bird, or vote for Jo Jorgenson.

 

[Sun_Force]

Steve answered the question, the Biden supporters refuse to acknowledge it.

I have nothing more to say. You're not listening to the logic. The way I see it, you're obsessed with Trump. People like you have made a God out of him and worshiping him. Now Trump is a religion.
Your country, your ways. I'm only glad that I'm not there.
I hope you find a way out of this mess and somehow stop the virus.

 

[AccessBlaster]

I have nothing more to say. You're not listening to the logic. The way I see it, you're obsessed with Trump. People like you have made a God out of him and worshiping him. Now Trump is a religion.
Your country, your ways. I'm only glad that I'm not there.
I hope you find a way out of this mess and somehow stop the virus.

Love it when the left melts down and runs off. What next the F-bomb?

 

[Isaac]

I hope you find a way out of this mess

Thanks for being honest. When Moderna's vaccine is ready for you, we'll be sure to let you know.

And please, rather than distracting from what your nation did to the world, focus on how to be more careful next time.

 

[Sun_Force]

And please, rather than distracting from what your nation did to the world, focus on how to be more careful next time.

My nation? How do you know my nationality. I never mentioned it.
Never told anything about myself, except that I'm a college student.

 

[Sun_Force]

Love it when the left melts down and runs off. What next the F-bomb?

I'm neither left nor right. I'm a foreigner who doesn't care who sits on that chair and also sees your ways strange.
Moreover it's kind of pointless to try to prove my view. When nobody listens being silent is the only way left.

 

[AccessBlaster]

If Trump wins tomorrow the left elected him!

 

[AccessBlaster]

I'm neither left nor right. I'm a foreigner who doesn't care who sits on that chair and also sees your ways strange.
Moreover it's kind of pointless to try to prove my view. When nobody listens being silent is the only way left.

You have to effectively articulate your point, we're not debating soy milk here.

 

[Jon]

I think with all these sorts of things, hindsight gives 20:20 vision. Every path seems obvious once you look back in time. But it is much harder to know what to do beforehand. The concept of the wheel seemed obvious, after it was invented!

In any case, all these arguments are going to be a mute point. The vaccines are coming and soon!

I did have a thought about the future though. With all the international travel, increasing population densities and congestion, future pathogens will spread even more rapidly. If Covid 19 is here to stay on a seasonal basis, what happens in 30 years time, when we have had another couple of pandemics? We will have colds + flu + Covid + pan1 + pan2 and so on to content with. Maybe masks will be an everyday thing in the future, where no one can go in a public place without a mask. It sounds apocalyptic but it is plausible.

Our saviour might be AI, that invents solutions for the common cold, flu and so on. Throw in a bit of gene editing with CRIPSER-case9 and we will all be saved!