ColinEssex
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I agree Kraj.
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Kraj said:All true points. However, assuming that middle eastern countries like Iraq are capable of functioning with governments other than dictatorships, insurgencies are quelled, civil wars are avoided, and the region stabilizes to a reasonable degree (that's quite a "To Do" list ain't it, Bushie?), then it will be hard to claim the majority of Iraqis are not far better off with Saddam gone. I'd imagine the vast majority of people who prefered life under Hussein are either a.) caught in the crossfire of the temporary (if drawn out) conflict between U.S. forces and insurgents or b.) people who benefited from Saddam's corruption.
ColinEssex said:I agree Kraj.
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LOLjsanders said:Nothing like a couple of Brits, to get even the hardest anti-Bush Americans, rallied up in his defense.
Just playin'.... it seems like it's been awhile since we agreed about anything, much less something related to Bush/Iraq.ColinEssex said:you seem surprised Kraj
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I know your feelings towards Bush / Iraq and the fact that the majority of normal US people think the same - all you need to do is get rid of the warmongering prat.Kraj said:Just playin'.... it seems like it's been awhile since we agreed about anything, much less something related to Bush/Iraq.
Kraj said:I'd imagine the vast majority of people who prefered life under Hussein are either a.) caught in the crossfire of the temporary (if drawn out) conflict between U.S. forces and insurgents or b.) people who benefited from Saddam's corruption.
The centuries of turmoil was usually of a religious or occupation of land reasons. These days its just oil - pure and simple - thats why the USA won't bother with any non oil producing dictatorships.Rich said:I'd say therein lies the problem, we're looking at the middle east through western eyes and can't therefore really be subjective.
If one looks back through history of the region it's be in turmoil for centuries, they have customs and ways that we simply don't understand.
However alien Saddam was to us, Iraqis at least knew where they were under his leadership.
I think there's some oil in Dorset, should we be worried?ColinEssex said:The centuries of turmoil was usually of a religious or occupation of land reasons. These days its just oil - pure and simple - thats why the USA won't bother with any non oil producing dictatorships.
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They call that "friendly fire" when they kill their alliesRich said:I mean the US does seem to have a habit of turning on it's former allies
Well this we've suspected for a long time but now have the evidence to support thisColinEssex said:anyway, the USA already runs this country
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I haven't heard the specific story you mention, but it doesn't sound like anyone is saying anything everyone didn't already know anywayColinEssex said:Whats that all about?
Interesting...I would have thought our European counterparts would have some kind of insight into the social roots of this event. Instead the discussion seems to be rather superficial
Separate schools increase the divide, people should mix from a young age, ALL children should attend state schools and learn to live with each other, learning about each others life styles etc. They might come to realise that their religious leaders are only in it for power.
In this specific case, however, because of the nature of the clothing in question I could see it causing a disruption with the normal school environment at times and a teacher should have the right to ask the item be removed. If the Muslims want special rights so they can refuse to do so, then I agree that they should go to a Muslim school.
Thanksgiving, Independence day, Sunday afternoon football, the list goes on.
And oh yeah, a tradition of getting Europe out of its terrible wars.
Not to down play the role of any Allied citizens or nations, but as you have pointed out so often we have a lot of guns over here.
If a super power like the former Soviet Union, or the current United States can’t occupy a couple of flee bites in the Middle East. How in the world do you suppose the Nazis could have maintained control over Britain or the US for any length of time?
Wouldn’t have happened.
We would have invented a gorilla warfare and terrorism battlefield to make the current stuff look like playground fun.
ColinEssex said:majority of normal US people think the same
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Normal? what do you think it means? the people who like a good old war killing 20,000+ civilians and a couple of thousand troops? and ruining a country for the sake of it so it'll always have civil war now?cavscout said:Liberals keep using that word...I do not think it means what they think it means.
At last! you're starting in the right direction, now you also need to introduce an element of social justice into your society and you'll start to become a modern societyjsanders said:By the way, I’m a moderate. But the pendulum has swung too far to the right. It’s time for a little swing back.
Brianwarnock said:I would ban religious brain washing but would be happy to have religious teachers explaining the basis of their religion to all pupils, but it would have to be an open minded discussion.
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Nice one I don't think "religion" and "open minded" can go together.statsman said:I would be interested in learning about ANY religion that could be described as OPEN MINDED.