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Isaac said:
It's like getting prosecuted for selling your car and telling someone "Hey, this is worth $21k!" when the prosecutor decides it was only worth $18k. Criminalized for your own personal opinion even when the banks are saying everything was fine

Or like getting accused of Ra** and then getting prosecuted NOT for the Ra**, but for saying "I'm innocent" - you're now on trial for making the I'm Innocent statement.

Americans are a little stupid these days, but not that stupid. These trials have actually made people more likely to support Trump, we should be grateful for them - they went so far it looks dumb in the eyes of most americans.

They just can't find any real crime he's committed - but it's amusing watching them try 😅
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They are making his worshipers even more fanatic.
 
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Pat Hartman said:
Has "worshiper" become the new pejorative? I never got the memo. @Thales750 why do you feel the need to call people with whom you disagree, names? You do realize what that means? It means that you've lost the argument. You've no counter argument. You can't dispute any of the "worshiper's" positions because they are solidly based on truth whereas your positions are based on hatred and lies and just plain gossip.
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I use the term to describe the fanaticism which is Trump support. If you look back at your actions, and at these posts, you will see you have not conceded that Trump has deserved any of the accusations that have been leveled at him. Any, meaning none.
Other than a very narrow and focused propaganda machine which simply repeats the same lies in preputium, the entire planet sees him for what he is. The absolute worst, biggest lying, corrupt president in American history.

What other explanation is there but worship.
1. You accept that the election was rigged by the Deep State.
a. even as Trump was recorded trying to talk the Georgia guy into falsifying results in his favor
b. even as 18 people are under indictment in Georgia​
c. no evidence was ever presented that wide spread election fraud took place, except by Trump himself​
2. You deny that Trump had any responsibility for the Jan 6th attack on the Capital of the United States. When clearly, if that had been a RICO trial any other mob leader would be in prison.
The list is literally endless. And you have shown a relentless string of denials and justifications on this very thread.
If you look back you will see that your condescending tone preceded mine.

Trump road the incredible gains and momentum of the economy created in the Obama era. There are economic records, that existed prior to Trump falsely accusing the president of being an alien. It then it only took him 3 years to destroy those economic gains.

There is literally no subject that the worshipers of Trump will concede that anything that he did was bad. If Trump worshipers would spend more time studying the economy instead of repeating drive-time propaganda, he would be where he belongs. Behind bars.
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AccessBlaster said:
The democrats are unwittingly turning Trump into a sympathetic character that the average citizen can relate.

Certain minority groups feel like they are being over prosecuted by government. This might explain the bump in his polls with minorities.

They are also waking to the fact they were better off under Trump financially three years ago.
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I don't disagree with that, but it probably won't be enough to get him elected, at least i don't think so. The problem for the Dems and the strength of the conservative fanatics is the difference in the method of the voice and practice of the propaganda messaging. Liberal fanatics are splintered, conservative fanatics are unified. I think the weak spot for conservatives is the their propaganda language is extremely offensive to almost every one not a hard core right-winger. Whereas liberal voice in fragmented, conservative voice has been on a mission of group brainwashing since it was adopted by the Nixon conservative in the election after Goldwater was beaten so babbly in '64. They came up with a way to sound logical and then they went on to train the state and local elected and new organization to to repeat nationally the same message.
Enter the 80s when people like Carl Rove figured out how to get the churches on their side with abortion. All this is old news, but we are in a place where the people, other than the 60 million Trump worshipers, would vote for a drooling, cross eyed, babbling, 80 something years old Biden over Trump.

That alone should make Trumps wonder, and question their beliefs, but it doesn't. Look at the about faces of so many Republicans, ones that absolutely hate Trump, supporting his because they are afraid to the Worshiper.
 
Thales750 said:
I don't disagree with that, but it probably won't be enough to get him elected, at least i don't think so.
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That's not the only issue Biden faces, Kennedy is siphoning off double digit numbers 16% , along with Cornel West 4% that's 20% +, that's 20% + should be going to Biden, that can only help Trump.
 
AccessBlaster said:
That's not the only issue Biden faces, Kennedy is siphoning off double digit numbers 16% , along with Cornel West 4% that's 20% +, that's 20% + should be going to Biden, that can only help Trump.
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Kenedy was claiming earlier that hew would draw as much from Trump or more. We'll see, I think Biden's biggest battle is the perception of Israel's lack of restraint.
 
Given that 360 million people in the USA can't put up a decent honest sensible candidate for the presidency, I would say Trump is the better candidate of the two. He will win no doubt - but be careful what you wish for.
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Thales750 said:
Kenedy was claiming earlier that hew would draw as much from Trump or more. We'll see, I think Biden's biggest battle is the perception of Israel's lack of restraint.
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The perception is, Biden is to feeble to prosecute but okay to run the country.
 
ColinEssex said:
Given that 360 million people in the USA can't put up a decent honest sensible candidate for the presidency, I would say Trump is the better candidate of the two. He will win no doubt - but be careful what you wish for.
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It's like a monarchy, but different.
 
The_Doc_Man said:
Calling Joe Biden a good and competent president is a long con of its own special type.

Having said that, I'm not entirely happy with Trump either. I originally supported him and STILL don't think he's the devil. But this country needs a wake-up call that the Democratic Party is NOT your friend - it is your exploiter. To them, you are a cash cow and a tethered vote.

Part of me fears another Trump turn in office, part of me thinks that another Biden term in office is worse. Caught between Scylla and Charibdis, the original source of the phrase "a rock and a hard place."
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Doc, I don't see anythintg really wrong with the economy. Biden did get some things done. My issue with Trump is that he is for Trump alone. Look at who benefitted from Trump's tax cut. After it passed he walked into a restaurant at Mar a Lago and told the assembly of rich folks, "Now you are really rich." He is not as rich as he claims. When he first ran he said he would not need any help. He then loaned 10 million to his campaign, then immediately asked for donations. When it got to 10 mill he paid himself back. He has never used a cent of his own money on his campaign. He just filed papers that said he couldn't pay the 545 mill bond, his lawyers said they contacted 30 companies via 10 different brokers and wrote that it was "practically impossible" for Trump to raise the cash. Trump then went on truth social the next day and claimed he had 500 mil in cash. So which is the truth? One of the statements has to be a lie, A really rich New Yorker is Mike Bloomberg, worth 106.2 Billion dollars. Never once heard him claim that he was "Really Rich." He has donated billions to charity. I remind you that I used to be a Republican, a little right of center.
 
Personally I can't wait for Monday, it's like the super bowl of politics.
 
@jpl4jpm, @Thales750 , @moke123: Why all the hyperbolic personal animus against Trump?

Seems that you have misplaced priorities. The Biden administration (Democrats) have weaponized the legal system, eliminating the rule of law, are using lawfare, promoting racism, selling out Israel, are not proposing to reduce federal spending, and are not enforcing immigration laws; and yet you overlook all this corruption simply because you have a personal hatred of Trump?
Where is your sense of priorities?
 
If some how she seizes his assets, there will major backlash on NY as a whole. That place is so corrupt right now, no business in their right mind can afford to be a part of that scammer state. She wouldn't have to hold those assets very long though, there are Chinese that would swoop up those assets in a heartbeat if it's at the right price. She doesn't care about the value, just about screwing Trump over. My gut feeling is that he does whatever it takes to hold on to his property.
 
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