Ron Paul

Don't get that.:confused:

You mean Bush?

Col

Last time I checked, Bush wasn't British.

If candidate Paul brings the troops back home to defend America,
Isn't this what you and Rich have been harping about for the past 7 years? Isn't this what you want :confused:
 
As long as he KEEPS them in America.

The twin follies of Afganistan and Iraq should teach any presidental candidate to get the troops out and to keep them out.
 
As long as he KEEPS them in America.

The twin follies of Afganistan and Iraq should teach any presidental candidate to get the troops out and to keep them out.

The snag is though that now that the USA has destroyed the place, won't it have to rebuild it? Or do you just pull out and leave the mess for the Iraqi's to sort out.

Col
 
Last time I checked, Bush wasn't British.

If candidate Paul brings the troops back home to defend America,
Isn't this what you and Rich have been harping about for the past 7 years? Isn't this what you want :confused:

The USA didn't invade Iraq till 2003, that's not 7 years. Shall I post some on-line maths tutorial sites?

Col
 
Oh christ! another bloody war monger, hasn't Bush inflicted enough misery on the world already?:rolleyes:
Well, it may not be common knowledge in the U.K., but everyone in American knows Ron Paul is against the war and has been since it started.
 
The USA didn't invade Iraq till 2003, that's not 7 years. Shall I post some on-line maths tutorial sites?

Col

And Afganistan???
Warning: you may have to take off your shoes and socks to count this one.

I noticed your attempt to evade the point. Here's a candidate that wants to do exactly what you want America to do. Don't you think you should support him or is your hatred of all things American so ingrained that what you want America to do is now going to change?
 
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The snag is though that now that the USA has destroyed the place, won't it have to rebuild it? Or do you just pull out and leave the mess for the Iraqi's to sort out.

Col

I think even you can apreciate the difference between an Army and a group of civilian construction workers and engineers.
 
I think even you can apreciate the difference between an Army and a group of civilian construction workers and engineers.

And how exactly are the civilians going to be protected?

Col
 
Protected from what?
With no US Army there and nothing for the Iraqis to be mad at, where's the danger?
I think even Iraqis know a good deal when they see one.
If you're that concerned, they can always hire a private NON AMERICAN security firm.
 
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The fact is that America is based on paranoia and insecurity as a nation, it is embroiled with the dogma that some nation somewhere is about to invade or destoy it. Although it pretends to act in the best interests of others it acts only in its own self interest.

Sounds a lot like every other country on the planet.
For example: the UK still keeps a sizeable nuclear deterrent.
The Royal Navy has several submarines loaded with rockets carrying atomic bombs.
The Royal Air Force has a fleet of bombers with atomic bombs.
Given the current state of the world, exactly who they are trying to deter is a little unclear.
 
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I am at the point now where I am starting not to care about everyone (other countries in the world) and think the US needs to start thinking about ourselves. As selfish as that statement may be, I am starting to lean towards that path. Here are some ideas that I believe the US needs to start doing:

1) We need to start getting tougher on illegal immigration from the South as well as from the North. To think that we need to allow those the become US citizens make ticked off after our forefathers as became citizens the legal way. That being said, the US government should consider making immigration limited and tougher to get . Times are different now than they were back in the earlier part of the 20th Century.
2) We need to start drilling for our own oil off our own costs. Hell, you now have China drilling for oil between Cuba and Florida, while we cannot because of the activist. Tell me that isn’t a bunch of crap! Granted, we’d still need the oil refineries to build more refineries to handle our consumption needs.
3) Again, because of the activist, we haven’t built a nuclear reactor since the ‘70’s. We need to start building more of them to get more off of oil dependency.
4) Scrap this NAFTA idea as it seems that we are going to end up like Europe as whereas the US, Canada, and Mexico will become one union. Do we, as Americans really want to be a part of poverty and government unjust like that of Mexico? NO!
5) We need to start settling our National debt so we can bring the Dollar back. Where did it go? China and they are now considering dumping our notes for the Euro, which will cripple our economy. Is that what we really want? The US needs to stop their ridiculous spending.
6) At one time, the US used to be the World’s supplier, now we have become a country that consumes, which is one of the reasons why our economy is suffering. Not to mention that we (as Americans) are getting taxed to death to help support the government’s spending, which needs to stop, AND STOP NOW!!!! The US needs to get back to our core values and be more dependant on us and not on other countries as we do now.
7) National Pride. Here is one topic that I have a strong opinion on. There is a lack of this and is one of reasons why the US is tanking. I was in the military and have nothing but great love for the US. Is the US messed up, it sure the hell is and I’ll be the first to say this. All countries are not perfect by any means, but after being to many other countries, there is nowhere I’d rather be. I had learned the we (as American) take a lot for granted, the freedom we have to do anything we want. The freedom to speak our minds without being putting to death, unlike so many others on this planet.

Ron Paul is looking so attractive to so many. Not that I totally agree with all of his policies, but he sure does make sense in a lot ways. BTW, I have no idea who I will be voting for as of now. It will surly not be a demarcate though. Our government, like so many others, have been corrupt and if the American people don’t take it back, then we will eventually end up like the Roman Empire, which I believe will happen if we stay on the course we’re on now.


Kilch
 
Nice little post..
Some of which I agree with you on.

Had the US taken a view like this and sorted its own problems out - then it would of be the envy of other countries ..

Imigration is a real problem for all countries - as to what the answer is - well you work that one out and lets us know -
perhaps fining employers who hire long term non-nationals -(athlought his will affect farmers who employ cheap labour t pick crops)

as to the dollar becoming a redundant currency .. I would not worry to much about this - the world and currencys evolve on a season turn - the £ used to be the number 1 currency as did the Dmark -

I think you will find in a couple of yeas that the dollar will bouncy back (once you have got rid of Bush) while he may be a good national leader (?) on a international basis he isn't and the currency problem needs to be resoled on a international basis

National Pride - is a hard one - there is a sense of being proud to be a BRit, Canadian, USA etc ..
but can you look at your own country and say , yes I am proud of what it has done in xxxx.
Beig a Brit I can only speak for myself, I am not proud of what we have done in Iraq ( this does not mean i don't support the soldiers , which i do - but not the policies that got them there)

I am proud of certain things that the UK does (I am not going to mention them ..) but I know we should be doing more .
from my view point (and only my view) the US as a whole seems to be ignoring global warming - and yet certain States are leaping ahead with constructive solutions to this same problem by far in excess of what us Brits are doing .

as to Nuclear energy the US has to be a little careful here - yes it does need them , but them to say that other countries cannot have them seems like a double standard - and could an inspector from another country visit them - (probably not)
this is what has tainted the US in most peoples views its double standard - we (the US) will do what we want - but you (some other small country) cannot

this isn't an anti american post - as I think the US has the potentinal to be something special - and I enjoy visiting there - been quite a few times and everyone has been really pleasant(except customs do they have the sense of humor removed)

we hope that the next president is better than your last (it would be hard not too)


as to corruption - all goverments are corrupt - but to what degree
polictians generall mean well - but they have to trade their ideas and values off against others and they hope that the best gets through - there are some who just want power , other who want money ..it could be worse you could be in Italy - where its rife with crime /corruption ...
 
can you name someone we would vote for free from this ??

Anne Widicome (typo?)
Mo Moland
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Unfortunately Mo Mowlem passed away some time ago so won't be available for the job
 
I am at the point now where I am starting not to care about everyone (other countries in the world) and think the US needs to start thinking about ourselves

When was the US any different?:confused:
 
When was the US any different?:confused:

Let me clarify that, if I may... What I basically mean for example, if a certain ethnic in lets say…. Bosnia wants to eliminate another ethnic group; the US should allow it to happen. As cruel as that sounds, we have a lot of issues to worry about here at home, than to keep sticking our nose in other peoples’ businesses. Then lets see who will step up to the plate to try to control the peace in the World. Granted, we have stuck in where we shouldn’t have and yes, we paid.
 
Then lets see who will step up to the plate to try to control the peace in the World.

Since the US policy at the end of WW2 was to ensure that the European powers nolonger had the clout to do this who do you expect to act as the World's policeman now? When Britain and France tried to when a certain middle East dictator nationalised a private company's assets the US stabbed them in the back, as Rich points out the US has always but always put the US first, read the history of the failed League of Nations if you want another example.

In case you think that I am another anti US nut read a few of my past posts first.

Brian
 

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