Salary Not Specified

[oumahexi]

Why do employers not want to disclose how much they are willing to pay if you apply for the jobs they have vacant?

I get very suspicious and think that they are just cheap and will try to con you out of what they were willing to pay. I just seen the perfect job for me, but I won't even apply because they don't specify what the salary is and I'm not about to waste my time going along for an interview only to find that they can't afford my services or that they don't think I'm worth just offering what they are going to negotiate up to in the first place.

 

[Rabbie]

Sometimes it is because they don't want to upset their present employees by advertising a higher rate. In general people who change jobs voluntarily do so for a pay increase and so earn more than people who stay in the same job for a long time.

If the job you have seen is really the perfect one for you then go for it. You don't have to accept it unless the salry is satisfactory

 

[oumahexi]

You're right Rabbie. It's just that I've been down that road so often before, you get everything else ironed out and then they offer you less than or the same as your current salary. With a "promise" of an increase if it all works out. In the mean time I'd be out of pocket because I don't have travelling expenses or anything like that here...

 

[GaryPanic]

apply for it - but mention the salary you expect -and that you are worth every penny ...

 

[oumahexi]

Ah ha! There's a strategy! Be up front. I like it. They wouldn't expect ME to waste their time, so why should I expect them to waste mine.

I have nothing to lose, can't be doing this for much longer, there's already a little yellow van stalking me

 

[GaryPanic]

Why not ...
I can understand form a companies point of view keep the costs down -
prove that you can increae profitablity -reduce admin and then state that you are worth more than you are asking for .. keep them on their toes

I have done this with a prospective employer and they loved it - then I proved that I could remove admin- increase productivity - that definately made them sit up- salary wasn't all that - but they then said "Bonus"

 

[Alisa]

Why do employers not want to disclose how much they are willing to pay if you apply for the jobs they have vacant?

I get very suspicious and think that they are just cheap and will try to con you out of what they were willing to pay. I just seen the perfect job for me, but I won't even apply because they don't specify what the salary is and I'm not about to waste my time going along for an interview only to find that they can't afford my services or that they don't think I'm worth just offering what they are going to negotiate up to in the first place.

Salary not specified means they will pay you as little as you are willing to accept - whoever says the first number gives the other person the upper hand, so obviously they want you to say the first number, and then if their top line is like 20k more than that, they just saved a huge bundle.

Don't know if it is different over there, but over here, the only jobs where a salary is advertised are government jobs. I have never seen an ad for a private job that had the salary in it unless it was like McDonalds hiring shift managers for $7.50 an hour.

 

[redneckgeek]

Most employers in the US that have more than 250 employees have job descriptions - and a pay range associated with it. That range may be $50K - $75K. Of course they are going to try to get you in at the lower end of that range. However, if you come in demanding $45K a year, they are still going to start you at $50K. The HR department isn't going to rewrite the description and repoint the job just because they found somebody willing to do it cheaper.

 

[ColinEssex]

They don't say the pay because if you're female they'll pay you less anyway. So in order not to cause discrimination, salary is "by negotiation" or "experience".

If a woman is of child bearing age, they'll maybe just get a courtesy interview - then fail.

There are many ways around the equality laws.

Col

 

[Alisa]

They don't say the pay because if you're female they'll pay you less anyway. So in order not to cause discrimination, salary is "by negotiation" or "experience".

If a woman is of child bearing age, they'll maybe just get a courtesy interview - then fail.

There are many ways around the equality laws.

Col

Too true. Last I heard, women are paid about 79 cents on the dollar compared to men's wages. What is the gap over there?

 

[GaryPanic]

So true Colin..wrong as it is - would you employ someone who is perhaps going to have babies - then hold there job open for 12 months then for them to have another one #or ask for flexi time - its ok in a large company you can wrangle it - but for a small company - its a killer ..
I don't know what the answer is but equality isn't fair in most jobs

much i think men and women are equal and should be paid as such
from a company view point its more cost effective to employ men, rather than women of child bearing age, more mature women should then be valued more but they have lost out to x number of years , and cannot expect to just step in and get a job at a level to someone who has been doing the job x years long -

Not meant to be a male pig - but if you look at it from a cost view point purely - then it makes sense,

then there are women who say they don't want children get up the ladder to a vital point in a company then change their minds - this vital job then has to be keep open for them - at the cost of the company - i don't know what the solution is but the system we have at the moment is not fair on either sex -

i rant...

 

[GaryPanic]

Too true. Last I heard, women are paid about 79 cents on the dollar compared to men's wages. What is the gap over there?

I have had discussion over a potentinal job and i made the comment that myself and my collegue (A lady) should have the same salary - as we do the same job- which meant she had to have her salary upped -

 

[Rich]

They don't say the pay because if you're female they'll pay you less anyway. So in order not to cause discrimination, salary is "by negotiation" or "experience".

If a woman is of child bearing age, they'll maybe just get a courtesy interview - then fail.

There are many ways around the equality laws.

Col

Well the reality is that if women were to stay at home looking after the kids there'd be less blokes on the dole and less yobs on the street, when's the goverment going to bring in another new law?

 

[Alisa]

Well the reality is that if women were to stay at home looking after the kids there'd be less blokes on the dole and less yobs on the street, when's the goverment going to bring in another new law?

I think the reality is that a family can no longer survive on one person's wages, women HAVE to work, I know I do.

 

[GaryPanic]

you would have to increase male salaries somewhat to cover todays living costs , make provisions for devorices (pension allocations, split of equilty in property etc) ,and also why should women get away with not bloody working (only kidding, before someone shoots me...I know women work hard just running a house, and then those that works as well..respect cos I am way to lazy to do all of that)

 

[Rich]

I think the reality is that a family can no longer survive on one person's wages, women HAVE to work, I know I do.

Isn't that based on standard the of living required nowadays though?

 

[Alisa]

Isn't that based on standard the of living required nowadays though?

Yes and no. I know that my standard of living is below average for what I see in my area, and I still don't make enough to save for my kids to go to college. But I think there are people that truly do make a good salary, to the point where the wife could stay home, but they just blow all the money.

 

[Rich]

Yes and no. I know that my standard of living is below average for what I see in my area, and I still don't make enough to save for my kids to go to college. But I think there are people that truly do make a good salary, to the point where the wife could stay home, but they just blow all the money.

That's strange to us since the US as always been seen as the land of plenty

 

[Alisa]

That's strange to us since the US as always been seen as the land of plenty

It is very interesting, considering our wages and benefits are on average quite a bit less than yours.

I should clarify: it IS the land of plenty for the large corporations, who are making billions of dollars in profits. It is the land of "not so much" for the workers.

 

[Rich]

It is very interesting, considering our wages and benefits are on average quite a bit less than yours.

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Yes but as with Canada the cost of living here is far higher

I should clarify: it IS the land of plenty for the large corporations, who are making billions of dollars in profits. It is the land of "not so much" for the workers

The word you're looking for is Capitalism