The Qur'an (6 Viewers)

[aziz rasul]

I think richard would strongly disagree...

I simply gave you Islam's and my point of view. Each to their own.

"Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."
Qur'an 17:81

I was referring to your whole posts, which are long and boring.

Not to me. Each to their own. No one is forcing you to read them.

39. In fact, they [hastily] rejected the Book without comprehending it and before the fulfilment of its warnings. Similarly, those before them were in denial. See then what was the end of the wrongdoers!
40. Some of them will eventually believe in it; others will not. And your Lord knows best the corruptors.
41. If they deny you, then say, “My deeds are mine and your deeds are yours. You are free of what I do and I am free of what you do!”
42. Some of them listen to what you say, but can you make the deaf hear even though they do not understand?
43. And some of them look at you, but can you guide the blind even though they cannot see?
44. Indeed, Allaah does not wrong people in the least, but it is people who wrong themselves.
Qur'an 10:40-44

Your irrational delusions are not a valid basis for a rational argument.

34. Say, "Are there of your 'partners' any who begins creation and then repeats it?" Say, " Allah begins creation and then repeats it, so how are you deluded?"
35. Ask them, O Prophet?, “Can any of your associate-gods guide to the truth?” Say, “[Only] Allaah guides to the truth.” Who then is more worthy to be followed: the One Who guides to the truth or those who cannot find the way unless guided? What is the matter with you? How do you judge?
36. Most of them follow nothing but [inherited] assumptions. [And] surely assumptions can in no way replace the truth. Allaah is indeed All-Knowing of what they do.
37. It is not possible for this Qur'an to have been produced by anyone other than Allaah. In fact, it is a confirmation of what came before, and an explanation of the Scripture. It is, without a doubt, from the Lord of all worlds.
Qur'an 10:34-37

 

[aziz rasul]

Attributes of God

1 AR-RAHMAAN The Most or Entirely Merciful
2 AR-RAHEEM The Bestower of Mercy
3 AL-MALIK The King and Owner of Dominion
4 AL-QUDDUS The Absolutely Pure
5 AS-SALAM The Perfection and Giver of Peace
6 AL-MU’MIN The One Who gives Emaan and Security
7 AL-MUHAYMIN The Guardian, The Witness, The Overseer
8 AL-AZIZ The All Mighty
9 AL-JABBAR The Compeller, The Restorer
10 AL-MUTAKABBIR The Supreme, The Majestic
11 AL-KHAALIQ The Creator, The Maker
12 AL-BAARI’ The Originator
13 AL-MUSAWWIR The Fashioner
14 AL-GHAFFAR The All- and Oft-Forgiving
15 AL-QAHHAR The Subduer, The Ever-Dominating
16 AL-WAHHAAB The Giver of Gifts
17 AR-RAZZAAQ The Provider
18 AL-FATTAAH The Opener, The Judge
19 AL-‘ALEEM The All-Knowing, The Omniscient
20 AL-QAABID The Withholder
21 AL-BAASIT The Extender
22 AL-KHAAFIDH The Reducer, The Abaser
23 AR-RAAFI’ The Exalter, The Elevator
24 AL-MU’IZZ The Honourer, The Bestower
25 AL-MUZIL The Dishonourer, The Humiliator
26 AS-SAMEE’ The All-Hearing
27 AL-BASEER The All-Seeing
28 AL-HAKAM The Judge, The Giver of Justice
29 AL-‘ADL The Utterly Just
30 AL-LATEEF The Subtle One, The Most Gentle
31 AL-KHABEER The Acquainted, the All-Aware
32 AL-HALEEM The Most Forbearing
33 AL-‘ATHEEM The Magnificent, The Supreme
34 AL-GHAFOOR The Forgiving, The Exceedingly Forgiving
35 ASH-SHAKOOR The Most Appreciative
36 AL-‘ALEE The Most High, The Exalted
37 AL-KABEER The Greatest, The Most Grand
38 AL-HAFEEDH The Preserver, The All-Heedful and All-Protecting
39 AL-MUQEET The Sustainer
40 AL-HASEEB The Reckoner, The Sufficient
41 AL-JALEEL The Majestic
42 AL-KAREEM The Most Generous, The Most Esteemed
43 AR-RAQEEB The Watchful
44 AL-MUJEEB The Responsive One
45 AL-WAASI’ The All-Encompassing, the Boundless
46 AL-HAKEEM The All-Wise
47 AL-WADOOD The Most Loving
48 AL-MAJEED The Glorious, The Most Honorable
49 AL-BA’ITH The Resurrector, The Raiser of the Dead
50 ASH-SHAHEED The All- and Ever Witnessing
51 AL-HAQQ The Absolute Truth
52 AL-WAKEEL The Trustee, The Disposer of Affairs
53 AL-QAWIYY The All-Strong
54 AL-MATEEN The Firm, The Steadfast
55 AL-WALIYY The Protecting Associate
56 AL-HAMEED The Praiseworthy
57 AL-MUHSEE The All-Enumerating, The Counter
58 AL-MUBDI The Originator, The Initiator
59 AL-MU’ID The Restorer, The Reinstater
60 AL-MUHYEE The Giver of Life
61 AL-MUMEET The Bringer of Death, the Destroyer
62 AL-HAYY The Ever-Living
63 AL-QAYYOOM The Sustainer, The Self-Subsisting
64 AL-WAAJID The Perceiver
65 AL-MAAJID The Illustrious, the Magnificent
66 AL-WAAHID The One
67 AL-AHAD The Unique, The Only One
68 AS-SAMAD The Eternal, Satisfier of Needs
69 AL-QADIR The Capable, The Powerful
70 AL-MUQTADIR The Omnipotent
71 AL-MUQADDIM The Expediter, The Promoter
72 AL-MU’AKHKHIR The Delayer, the Retarder
73 AL-AWWAL The First
74 AL-AAKHIR The Last
75 AZ-DHAAHIR The Manifest
76 AL-BAATIN The Hidden One, Knower of the Hidden
77 AL-WAALI The Governor, The Patron
78 AL-MUTA’ALI The Self Exalted
79 AL-BARR The Source of Goodness, the Kind Benefactor
80 AT-TAWWAB The Ever-Pardoning, The Relenting
81 AL-MUNTAQIM The Avenger
82 AL-‘AFUWW The Pardoner
83 AR-RA’OOF The Most Kind
84 MAALIK-UL-MULK Master of the Kingdom, Owner of the Dominion
85 DHUL-JALAALI WAL-IKRAAM Possessor of Glory and Honour, Lord of Majesty and Generosity
86 AL-MUQSIT The Equitable, the Requiter
87 AL-JAAMI’ The Gatherer, the Uniter
88 AL-GHANIYY The Self-Sufficient, The Wealthy
89 AL-MUGHNI The Enricher
90 AL-MANI’ The Withholder
91 AD-DHARR The Distresser
92 AN-NAFI’ The Propitious, the Benefactor
93 AN-NUR The Light, The Illuminator
94 AL-HAADI The Guide
95 AL-BADEE’ The Incomparable Originator
96 AL-BAAQI The Ever-Surviving, The Everlasting
97 AL-WAARITH The Inheritor, The Heir
98 AR-RASHEED The Guide, Infallible Teacher
99 AS-SABOOR The Forbearing, The Patient

 

[aziz rasul]

Some of the chapters in the Qur’an are named after the prophets or other key figures.

Chapter 10 – Yunus (Jonah)
Chapter 11 – Hud (Heber)
Chapter 12 – Yusuf (Joseph)
Chapter 14 – Ibrahim (Abraham)
Chapter 17 – Bani Israel (the Children of Israel)
Chapter 19 – Maryam (Mary)
Chapter 21 – Anbiya (the Prophets)
Chapter 31 – Luqman
Chapter 47 – Muhammad
Chapter 71 – Nuh (Noah)

 

[aziz rasul]

Frequency of Prophets names in the Qur’an

Musa – 176
Ibrahim - 69
Yusuf – 34
Lut - 28
Adam, Isa, Nuh – 25
Harun – 21
Ya’qub – 17
Is’haq, Suliman – 16
Dawud – 15
Isma’il, Shu’aib – 11
Salih – 10
Hud, Zakariyah – 8
Yahya – 5
Ayub, Muhammad – 4
Yunus, Ilias - 3
Al-Yasa, Idris, Dhu’l-kifl – 2
(Peace and Allaah’s blessings be upon them all)

 

[aziz rasul]

1. Say (O Muhammad): He is Allaah, the ONE and ONLY;
2. Allaah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.
Qur'an 112:1-4

 

[conception_native_0123]

keep posting then. I say go for it!

 

[The_Doc_Man]

4. And there is none like unto Him.

Right, ... because he doesn't exist.

 

[aziz rasul]

keep posting then. I say go for it!

Will do.

And there is none like unto Him.

Meaning that God does resemble His creation.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Meaning that God does resemble His creation.

Unlike Judaism which refers to God as "the Ineffable" meaning we cannot even say that much. For the record, I was raised Methodist before I lost my faith, but I did have a Jewish great-grandmother. So I heard a few things regarding Judaism as well as the more traditional Protestant dogma from Mom and Dad. I find it typical of Mankind's arrogance to have imagined a god that they resemble, because so many megalomaniacs imagine their own god-like essence. For my friends on the forum who are religious, note that I tossed that barb against Mankind as a whole and not directed to any specific person here or elsewhere.

 

[Isaac]

Yes it is because an atheist business owner cannot consider the applicant's distasteful religious belief as reason not to employ them.

He has the option to start a religion, which many atheists qualify for easily due to their zeal and fervor for a negative assertion belief that outweighs most believers' level of belief.

Hypocrisy would be if the business owners asking to have the exact opposite done to them, but they're not. A christian will be excluded from working at a muslim institution as readily as they can include christians at theirs

 

[Isaac]

Unlike Judaism which refers to God as "the Ineffable" meaning we cannot even say that much. For the record, I was raised Methodist before I lost my faith, but I did have a Jewish great-grandmother. So I heard a few things regarding Judaism as well as the more traditional Protestant dogma from Mom and Dad. I find it typical of Mankind's arrogance to have imagined a god that they resemble, because so many megalomaniacs imagine their own god-like essence. For my friends on the forum who are religious, note that I tossed that barb against Mankind as a whole and not directed to any specific person here or elsewhere.

I tend to agree with you on this. Our minds can't help but imagine 'something', and I'm not bothered by that, because it's a limitation of humanity.
But I think we really have no idea of what God will 'look' like, and even sayign that is funny, because God may not "look" like anything! He's spirit, not flesh! I think even many if not most unbelievers have a vague sense that there IS such a thing as spirit, because the undefinable magic of human relationships tends to confirm it in the minds of most who marvel at it

Edit - PS the bold print is very annoying, but I remind myself that if I am tempted to read his posts, that's on me - I'm free not to!
I personally avoid putting in bold except for the rarest of words, because I know how the mind works, people's eyes will jump to the bold print first, which will ruin the punchline anyway

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I think even many if not most unbelievers have a vague sense that there IS such a thing as spirit

I actually have no issue with that statement, though I don't think I have that feeling. But my objection is personification and the idea that this incredibly vague spirit that you mention has some kind of existence in such a way to have free will or a sense of vengeance or ANY kind of intelligent, reasoned response to the way people think and act. My questions at this level are about sentience.

It may be, to some people, that it is yet another chicken-and-egg dilemma. Did God create us in His image, or did WE imagine God in OUR image? I'll admit that I have no provable answer either. However, I'll say that I am more comfortable and more at peace logically on the atheistic side of that discussion. To me it requires fewer extreme assumptions than the deist side of the argument.

 

[Isaac]

Did God create us in His image, or did WE imagine God in OUR image?

That is a great statement and I think meditating on it is very good, even for Christians, as it challenges us to understand (or fail to understand) God on His terms, not in our neat little box. But this is also why the arguments "but would God allow/do such-and-such sad thing?" have little effect on me, as I figure if God exists, He is whatever He is, I cannot change it by wishing He were something different.

But I love that quote, it's good food for thought for just about anyone in any thought camp

 

[ColinEssex]

If there is a god who created the universe, earth, the planets, mankind and everything - who created the devil or Satan or hell or whatever you call it?
Did God do it? If so, then that was a big mistake.
Col

 

[aziz rasul]

Sorry I meant to say Meaning that God does NOT resemble His creation.

A christian will be excluded from working at a muslim institution as readily as they can include christians at theirs

A Muslim will be excluded from working at a Christian institution as readily as they can include Muslims at theirs.

 

[aziz rasul]

Isaac, hear are some stuff not in bold.

17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; I have come to fulfil.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
19 Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:17-20
However Paul tells us to put the law to one side i.e.
By SETTING ASIDE IN HIS FLESH THE LAW with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace.
Ephesians 2:15

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and KILL them in front of me.'"
Luke 19:27

Do you think that I have come to bring peace to the earth? No, I tell you, but rather division!
Luke 12:51

15. “Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to DEATH.
17. And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to DEATH.
20. And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall NOT BE PUNISHED: for he is his money.
Exodus 21:15, 17, 20-21

For God COMMANDED, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely DIE.’
Matthew 15:4

Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to DEATH men and women, CHILDREN and INFANTS, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
1 Samuel 15:3

 

[conception_native_0123]

If so, then that was a big mistake.

explain your reasoning why.

 

[Jon]

Question: If God exists and created everything, why doesn't he eradicate childhood disease, make everyone believe in him, remove hell, end suffering, and put a stop to evil?

 

[Isaac]

If there is a god who created the universe, earth, the planets, mankind and everything - who created the devil or Satan or hell or whatever you call it?
Did God do it? If so, then that was a big mistake.
Col

According to Christianity, (to simplify and paraphrase - but note, I am not a theologian), Satan was an angel who rebelled against God

 

[ColinEssex]

According to Christianity, (to simplify and paraphrase - but note, I am not a theologian), Satan was an angel who rebelled against God

Whatever it is, who created it?
Col