The Qur'an

[aziz rasul]

As far as scripture is concerned, the spirit of God is all throughout the bible...

Why does your spirit of God include contradictions in the bible?

Aziz and many Muslims see the people of the west and focus on those that bare bad fruit.

Well, the current culture and traditions of the west are rife in bad fruit. Let's together, try our best to change this bad fruit as you call it. 14th of February is approaching, what do you think will be happening on that day? Perhaps you should engross yourself of the bad fruit rather than complain of those who point it out to you.

All of us are going to be judged by God on the Day of Judgement. The sins of the Muslims will not be visible to the people as a curtain will be drawn, however the sins of the non Muslims will be exposed for all to see.

2. Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried?
3. But We have certainly tried those before them, and Allaah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the liars.
4. Do those who practise evil think that they will get the better of Us? Evil is their judgment!
5. Whoever should hope for the meeting with Allaah - indeed, the term decreed by Allaah is coming. And He is the Hearing, the Knowing.
6. And whoever strives only strives for [the benefit of] himself. Indeed, Allaah is free from need of the worlds.
7. And those who believe and do righteous deeds - We will surely remove from them their misdeeds and will surely reward them according to the best of what they used to do.
Qur'an 29:2-7

35. O ye Children of Adam! whenever there come to you messengers from amongst you, rehearsing My signs unto you,- those who are righteous and mend (their lives),- on them shall be no fear nor shall they grieve.
36. But those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance,- they are companions of the Fire, to dwell therein (for ever).
Qur’an - Surah al-A`raaf (The Heights) 7:35-6 See also 3:90.

Who has created death and life, that He may test you, which of you is best in conduct; and He is the All-Mighty, the Oft-Forgiving;
Qur’an - Surah at-Talaaq (Divorce) 67:2 See also 6:18.

“The one who guides to good will be rewarded equally.”
A saying of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)

Even relatives of the Prophet (peace be upon him) will be judged. We know that two of the Prophet's (peace be upon him) uncles died as disbelievers and therefore will remain in hellfire forever.

1. May the hands of Abu Lahab (Uncle of Prophet) be ruined, and ruined is he.
2. His wealth will not avail him or that which he gained.
3. He will [enter to] burn in a Fire of [blazing] flame
4. And his wife [as well] - the carrier of firewood.
5. Around her neck is a rope of [twisted] fibre.
Qur’an 111:1-5

 

[aziz rasul]

Everything is a business galax. life is a business. you have to advertise religion somewhere. if not, then you are not trying to spread the good word. or in Christianity's\Paul's case, the false\evil\blasphemous word.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

or in Christianity's\Paul's case, the false\evil\blasphemous word.

Or in other viewpoints, the stuff you are spouting, which is pretty bad in its own right.

 

[aziz rasul]

Or in other viewpoints, the stuff you are spouting, which is pretty nonsense in its own right

 

[ColinEssex]

If a prophet commits sin, does that prophet turn into a loss?
Col

 

[Isaac]

If a prophet commits sin, does that prophet turn into a loss?
Col

When David committed a sin (adultery), did he turn into a loss?

 

[Mike Krailo]

98. Whoever is an enemy to Allaah and His angels and His messengers and Gabriel and Michael - then indeed, Allaah is an enemy to the disbelievers.

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves." Matthew 7:15

"For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect." Matthew 20:24
Me: I believe this is going to happen soon in a neighborhood near you.

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world." 1John 4:1

"And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds." 2 Corinthians 11:12-15

 

[Isaac]

Country star Granger Smith took 'massive ego hit' pursuing ministry career

Granger Smith made the decision to step back from his country music career in order to focus on serving his church in Texas. Smith's ego took the "biggest hit" during that transition.

www.foxnews.com

Neat Story about a music star who found Jesus, and is leaving the life of fame to start a church.
When you accept Jesus Christ and his Spirit comes to live in you, he bears witness - you receive so many spiritual gifts you know for sure God is real at that point.

 

[ColinEssex]

When David committed a sin (adultery), did he turn into a loss?

My comment was a play on the words 'profit and loss'. It wasn't a serious post.
Col

 

[conception_native_0123]

Everything is a business galax. life is a business. you have to advertise religion somewhere. if not, then you are not trying to spread the good word

didn't I already say this? everything except Paul being false, that is.

 

[Isaac]

I'm the opposite of Doc. If someone really thought my life was to be saved and did nothing, I'd think him/her quite the unkind soul!
And honestly, I think Doc would too, he just can't bring himself to apply it to this context.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Isaac, thank you for the indirect vote of confidence. I would like to think that in the presence of a real threat I might come to someone's aid. I am no hero and at my age, I don't know what I could do regarding physical threats.

However, I remain adamant that if I don't believe in a threat that there is no reason to try to save me from that threat that nobody can see, hear, feel, or otherwise detect. (The "otherwise detect" of course includes medical diagnostic tests.)

 

[aziz rasul]

When David committed a sin (adultery)

That is blasphemous in Islam. No Prophet ever committed a sin. Mistakes, yes but NOT sin, which is a deliberate act of disobedience to God.

 

[aziz rasul]

Mike Krailo, The 25 Prophets given in the Qur'an including Jesus were not False Prophets, but chosen by God.​

Those who attribute divinity to a Prophet are the ones who are in manifest error.

6. For those who reject their Lord (and Cherisher) is the Penalty of Hell: and evil is (such), Destination.
7. When they are cast therein, they will hear the (terrible) drawing in of its breath even as it blazes forth,
8. Almost bursting with fury: Every time a Group is cast therein, its Keepers will ask, "Did no Warner come to you?"
9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a Warner did come to us, but we rejected him and said, 'Allaah never sent down any (Message): ye are nothing but an egregious delusion!'"
10. They will further say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we should not (now) be among the Companions of the Blazing Fire!"
11. They will then confess their sins: but far will be (Forgiveness) from the Companions of the Blazing Fire!
12. As for those who fear their Lord unseen, for them is Forgiveness and a great Reward.
13. And whether ye hide your word or publish it, He certainly has (full) knowledge, of the secrets of (all) hearts.
14. Should He not know,- He that created? and He is the One that understands the finest mysteries (and) is well-acquainted (with them).
Qur’an - Surah al-Mulk (The Sovereignty) 671:6-14

6 articles of Faith in Islam.

1- The Oneness of God
God is One. He is the Supreme and Eternal, the Creator and Provider, the Merciful and Compassionate. God has no father or mother and no son or daughter; He has never fathered anyone nor was He fathered. God has no equal. He is the God of all humankind, not of a special tribe, race, or group of people. He is the God of people of all races and colours, and of believers and unbelievers alike. God is Mighty and Supreme, yet is very near to the pious and thoughtful believers. God asks us to know Him, to love Him, and to follow His law for our own benefit and salvation.

2- The Angels of God
Angels are pure and spiritually obedient creatures. God created them to fulfill His commands and worship Him tirelessly.

3- The Divine Revelations (Books)
Muslims believe in the revelations sent by Almighty God to His prophets and messengers including the Qur’an given to Muhammad, the Torah given to Moses, the Gospel given to Jesus, the Scrolls of Abraham and the Psalms given to David.

4- The Prophets of God
All of the messengers and prophets of God such as Noah, Moses, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad were mortal human beings who were endowed with Divine Revelations and appointed by God to teach humankind how to submit to His will and obey His laws.

5- Resurrection after Death and the Day of Judgment
After the world ends, Muslims believe that all people will be brought back to life to face the Judgment of Almighty God. Muslims believe in an appointed Day of Judgment and in heaven and hell.

6- Preordainment (Qadar)
Muslims believe in God’s eternally pre-existent knowledge and that nothing in existence lies outside of His eternal control.

"The Messenger (Muhammad) believes in what has been sent down to him from his Lord, and (so do) the believers. Each one believes in God, His Angels, His Books, and His Messengers. (They say,) ‘We make no distinction between one another of His Messengers’ — and they say, ‘We hear, and we obey. (We seek) Your forgiveness, our Lord, and to You is the return (of all)’." (Qur’an 2:285)

 

[aziz rasul]

didn't I already say this? everything except Paul being false, that is.

Glad you picked up on the Paul bit. He said things that were the opposite to Jesus, hence the current so called Christians are mostly Paulians. It's the Muslims who are the true followers of Jesus (peace be upon him) and his fundamental teachings e.g.,

28 One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, “Which commandment is the first of all?”
29 Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: the Lord OUR God, the Lord is ONE;
30 you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.’
Mark 12:28-30

 

[aziz rasul]

However, I remain adamant that if I don't believe in a threat

There is a threat of damnation in hellfire for eternity for not accepting God, which you already know about.

Your attempt, when providing a video link, to show that a Qur'anic verse was wrong fell flat regarding an expanding universe, which explains your silence on the subject, especially when I corrected you on the true translation of the expanding heavens.

Your silence shows that you have seen the truth but arrogance and pride prevent you from acknowledging it. You are the definition of a disbeliver i.e., someone who KNOWS the TRUTH but turns away. This is in fact the definition of the Arabic word Kaafir i.e., someone who hides or covers the TRUTH.

99. [For such is the state of the disbelievers], until, when death comes to one of them, he says, "My Lord, send me back
100. That I might do righteousness in that which I left behind." No! It is only a word he is saying; and behind them is a barrier until the Day they are resurrected.
Qur'an 2:99-100

That Day, those who disbelieved and disobeyed the Messenger will wish they could be covered by the earth. And they will not conceal from Allaah a [single] statement.
Qur'an 4:42

And among them are those who listen to you, but We have placed over their hearts coverings, lest they understand it, and in their ears deafness. And if they should see every sign, they will not believe in it. Even when they come to you arguing with you, those who disbelieve say, "This is not but legends of the former peoples."
Qur'an 6:25

Whoever accepts guidance does so for his own good; whoever strays does so at his own peril. No soul will bear another’s burden, nor do We punish until We have sent a messenger.
Qur'an 17:15

You [Prophet] cannot guide everyone you love to the truth; it is God who guides whoever He will: He knows best those who will follow guidance.
Qur'an 28:56

“So those who believe in Allaah and hold fast to Him – He will admit them to mercy from Himself and bounty and guide them to Himself on a straight path.”
Qur’an 4:175

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Angels are pure and spiritually obedient creatures. God created them to fulfill His commands and worship Him tirelessly.

Proof positive that your Allah or God or whatever you want to call Him is a narcissist. VERY imperfect.

your silence shows that you have seen the truth but arrogance and pride prevent you from acknowledging it.

My silence shows that I understand the futility of speaking to someone who has been so totally brainwashed as to be unable to even briefly consider that someone else's viewpoint MIGHT just be right. Why should I argue with such arrogance as yours?

And this is a further point to consider. Since there IS no proof of the existence of God, we are EQUALLY correct in calling each other arrogant.

Which reminds me of that scene from the movie Patton in which Gen. Patton calls the Russian general a son of a bitch. To which the Russian replies that Gen. Patton is ALSO a son of a bitch. So Patton says, "Let's drink as one son of a bitch to another." Pick your favorite beverage, aziz, as I salute you, one arrogant son of a bitch to another.

 

[aziz rasul]

Proof positive that your Allah or God or whatever you want to call Him is a narcissist. VERY imperfect.

“And (all) the Most Beautiful Names belong to Allaah, so call on Him by them, and leave the company of those who belie or deny (or utter impious speech against) His Names. They will be requited for what they used to do”.
Qur'an 7:180

... someone else's viewpoint MIGHT just be right.

But that's the point, you don't engage in the points that I correct, so where is the engagement? Even in your last post, you still haven't discussed the issue of the expanding heavens. This proves my point that you are a denier, insincere and arrogant and too frightened to discuss in any meaningful way. You will have no where to hide in the Hereafter.

If you could but see when they are made to stand before the Fire and will say, "Oh, would that we could be returned [to life on earth] and not deny the signs of our Lord and be among the believers."
Qur’an - Surah al-An’aam (Cattle) 6:27

“And We send down of the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe and it increases the TRANSGRESSORS in nothing but LOSS.”
Qur’an al-Isra’ 17:82

Since there IS no proof of the existence of God

There is proof of God's existence, but you deny the signs and I am not brainwashed. I study the Qur'an with care and attention as the Qur'an tells me so. It's you who do not reflect.

(This is) a Scripture that We have revealed unto thee, full of blessing, that they may ponder its revelations, and that men of understanding may reflect.
Qur'an 38:29

Will they then not meditate on the Qur'an, or are there locks on the hearts?
Qur'an 47:24

How many signs in the heavens and the earth do they pass by with indifference!
Qur'an 12:105

We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth. But is it not sufficient concerning your Lord that He is, over all things, a Witness?
Qur'an 41:53

Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allaah , they would have found within it much contradiction.
Qur'an 4:82

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I study the Qur'an with care and attention as the Qur'an tells me so.

In the final analysis, you believe the Quran tells you of God / Allah because the Quran says it does. And you do not question because the Quran tells you to not do so.

 

[Mike Krailo]

Here's some food for thought and this is just the tip of the ice burg.