The Qur'an

Actually, Adam, I don't disagree. But there is that part of us that is in our evolutionary heritage to sometimes poke the bear, to find a way to persuade him that he isn't quite the force of nature he might have thought he was.
 
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It is CATEGORICALLY correct and YOU KNOW it. A singularity DID blow up 13.8 billion years ago which ultimately produced the universe we have today which includes the Earth and the Heavens surrounding it.

By calling me a zealot, you are simply trying to convince your inner self that you are right in your convictions but there is a lingering doubt which as a result of pride and arrogancy prevents you from accepting the TRUTH. There will be NO hiding place on the Day of Judgement. :)

Since I hold those who show proudness in low esteem, I will presume that you must be arrogant who is misguided because of honestly held (but totally incorrect) beliefs.

6. Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.
7. Allaah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.
161. Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allaah and the angels and men all;
162. Abiding in it; their chastisement shall not be lightened nor shall they be given respite.

Qur'an 2:6-7, 161-2

So no answer to the microscopic biology then?
 
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Do you indeed?

We will show them Our signs in the horizons and within themselves until it becomes clear to them that it is the truth…
Qur'an al-Fussilat 41:53

Say, “I only advise you of one thing – that you stand for Allaah, in pairs and individually, and then give thought.”
Qur'an 36:46

Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding; Those who remember Allaah while standing or sitting or [lying] on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, [saying], “Our Lord, You did not create this without purpose …”
Qur'an 3:190-191

There was certainly in their stories a lesson for those of understanding. Never was the Qur'an a narration invented, but a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of all things and guidance and mercy for a people who believe.
Qur'an Yusuf 12:111

Say, “Is the blind equivalent to the seeing? Then will you not give a thought?”
Qur'an 6:50

Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allaah are the deaf and dumb who do not use reason.
Qur'an 8:22

…They have hearts with which they do not understand, they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear. Those are like livestock; rather, they are more astray. It is they who are the heedless.
Qur'an 7:179
 
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quite the force of nature

There will be quite a lot of force of nature going on in HELLFIRE :)
It won't be pleasant by any stretch of the imagination and it will last for eternity for the disbelievers.
Muslims who end up in HELLFIRE for major sins, will eventually leave and enter PARADISE for eternity, insha-allaah.
 
I'm so thankful for the peace and joy and love that has filled my life since I surrendered to God. Never alone, always guided by the most powerful and smartest force in the universe. With total peace when facing death and that's just for starters 👍🏿
 
A singularity DID blow up 13.8 billion years ago which ultimately produced the universe we have today

Actually, according to recent findings from the James Webb Space Telescope, that is in doubt.
 
Adam, I don't know that there is an alternate theory yet. The discoveries are so new that I don't believe any new formal theories have been offered. Let's just say that it is either an exciting time or a frustrating time to be an astronomer or cosmologist right now. And it is purely terrible for all of the textbook sellers because now their textbooks are all out of date.

If you go on Firefox or Edge or whatever else you use, perhaps browse to YouTube, and search for "recent JWST discoveries" you will get some click-bait but also you can find some very thought-provoking articles. The current articles basically say that JWST is finding things that exist at a time when they shouldn't exist because they are older than the so-called "dark ages" (of the Big Bang). The "dark ages" in this context are a time when nothing should have coalesced from the gas clouds yet because they were still too hot. Some cosmologists are now saying that the universe is infinite in age, which would mean "no creation event." Others are pushing for a "localized" Big Bang rather than a generalized event. But all of the cosmology theoreticians are scrambling right now.
 
Some cosmologists are now saying that the universe is infinite in age
that would be truly spectacle. by the way, the James Webb scope is finding interesting things right in our own solar system too!


found that on my phone tonight. but maybe we should forget about the cosmos and get back to the pointless arguments with aziz. isn't that what this thread is all about? :D
 
Dear @aziz rasul , I might be completely wrong here.
My impression of your posts is, you might not want too, but you are sounding aggressive.
If your intention itself is going to aggressive mode then I can not help it however I would gently request you to be considerate towards forum members.

Am sure, you might have already explained the exact motive or outcome of the original post.
May I request you to enlighten me once again. For example, if I am facing any issue about a SQL query, motive of post would be to get the help to solve the issue. Or if I learnt something new, and post it here, my motive would be, to share the knowledge with the forum.
What is the outcome or motive of the your post, this is an honest question, your answer would help me to understand the length and importance of the thread. Good day.
 
maybe we should forget about the cosmos and get back to the pointless arguments with aziz. isn't that what this thread is all about?

Indirectly, since he is touting the Quran as having all of the answers about everything important - like creation and the beginnings of humanity - a brief divergence into modern biology or cosmology would be at least tangentially relevant.
 
The_Doc_Man, you'll do and say anything to deny. Any alternative theories regarding Qur'an 23:13-14 (post 511)?
 
why do you always accompany the capitalized word HELLFIRE with a damn smiley face!? Hell isn't funny...

If you think you are not going to HELL, then why do you care whether I place a smiley or not if you are DAMNED :)

goo f b a ll

kama sabaq
 
The_Doc_Man, you'll do and say anything to deny. Any alternative theories regarding Qur'an 23:13-14 (post 511)?
I'm a chemist rather than a biologist so this isn't my specialty, but I can say that animal husbandry and animal breeding date from times before Jesus. My objection is that YOU don't know when that bit about the clinging clot was known any better than the average person, yet you place undue emphasis on it. You have the "universe creation" mythos incorrectly described and now are clinging to your clot as though there is something miraculous. But I'm tiring of the argument with someone whose focus is on ascribing some significance to "mystically obtained knowledge" when YOU can't prove when it was known, either. You have a vested interest in having it NOT having been known earlier, so why would you bother to look? The problem is that you want me to question MY beliefs but you don't want to question your own beliefs. Which is the utmost in arrogance.

The Quran is boringly repetitive and you are equally repetitive, insisting that your words have mystical magical importance. But they don't. I wish you no ill, but I have to say that you are monotonous in your insistence on the meaning of those verses. You may, if you wish, take that as recognition that you are at least consistent. I firmly believe that YOU believe in what you say, if it is any consolation to you. But since I don't believe in any supernatural influence or knowledge, to me the Quran is just like any other religious book that applies repetition and admonition to try to warp the minds of its followers into mindless obedience to its mantras... 'scuse me, prayers. Thanks, but no thanks.

NOTE: Edited by The_Doc_Man for grammatical error correction.
 
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then why do you care whether I place a smiley or not if you are DAMNED :)
because like I said....hell isn't a nice place. It's almost like you are telling the person you want them to go there with that smiley face. and if that's the case, you are definately not who you say you are.
 
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A long video to watch. Can you summarize a couple of points so we can discuss. And while you are it, can you tell us if there are any contradictions of any kind in the Bible? Also, did Jesus (peace be upon him) preach the 4 gospels?
There are some rather stunning encodings of numbers to words and characters that authenticate the accuracy of the English translation and overall approval of Gods signature throughout the scriptures as it pertains to the King James version of the bible. In the referenced video the analysis derives a special number pattern of 17/23 in both the very first verse of the bible and the last verse of the bible. The all stems from the fact that God is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. This is explained in the video but if you count the number of letters in the first verse Gen 1:1(KJV), there are 44 letters. The last verse of the New Testament Rev 22:21 also has 44 letters in it. You can check how many times this occurs in the bible and you might be surprised to find how rare it is. There is no other verse in the entire book of Revelations that has 44 letters in it, let alone landing on the very last verse of the bible!

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created
the heaven and the earth.
Rev 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus
Christ be with you all. Amen.

So where does the 17/27 come from? That comes from an examination of the ratio of vowels to consonants in those very same verses. There are exactly 17 vowels and 27 consonants in both the first verse of the bible and last verse of the bible. But what could that possibly mean?

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If you look further into this 17/27 algorithm, you discover that 17 and 27 corresponds to the first and last days of Noah's flood.

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Now it goes on to point out that those same verses show the first 17 letters Gen 1:1 points directly to God. Then the last 27 letters of Rev 22:21 show Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. Further confirmation of 17/27 shows that last verse pointing to Jesus using 27 letters. So the number 17 is associated with the beginning and Jesus is associated with the end. But wait, isn't God the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End?

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We all know that God's plainly obvious number is 7 and how that was arrived at is plain to anyone who has read it. I'm not going over that. If you go to the 777th chapter of the bible you arrive at Jeremiah 32, and lo and behold there is that number 17 again but this time spelled out as seventeen. This was the 17 shekels of silver that
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Now count how many verses are in that chapter, you get 44 verses!!! It's starting to look like God's way of putting his coded signature on his word. In the picture below, there is number 7 by way of counting the letters in the first and last words of each of the two verses together. They are both 7 letters. This is where things really get interesting. The word Amen capitalized shows up exactly 77 times in the bible. The word "in" case insensitive shows up exactly 777 times in the two books Genesis and Revelation.

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He is using a digital version which makes it easy to explore for these types of patterns obviously. When he put God and Jesus in there filtering on both books. The resulting occurrences is 343. What's special about 343? That's 7 cubed! Which leads right back to, you guessed it, 777. If you watch the video at around the 17 minute mark, he goes over the filters that correlated to the number 77777 which go through the entire bible using the first and last words of each of the key verses.

I am aware of the apparent contradictions that are in the bible. We all look at the world through our own eye's and have our own world view of what it means to us individually. In other words, we all have our own filters we put on so as not to upset our world view or belief system. As Galaxiom said earlier, the tendency to throw out what doesn't fit our world view is almost automatic. This is easy to see in others, but very difficult to be introspective on one's own filtered views. Clearly, if you look for contradictions or typo's in any book, you will find some because that is what you set out to do. Plus, you don't want to find out that the bible is without error and realize Muslims have got only part of the message and are missing out on the most relevant message for today's time period. Looking for contradictions and finding them makes it easier for you to just ignore the main message that has been codified by God himself through his Holy Spirit. This is very clear to those who have read through both the old and new testaments. Beware of false prophets is something each person has to do for themselves. Test the spirit that it is true to the word.

As far as the 4 gospels, they are the accounts from the witnesses to what Jesus did during his ministry and final important message that he gave all of his disciples before his death, resurrection, and ascension back into heaven. The message was to go out to all of the people and they were not to discriminate as to who the message was delivered. It's totally up to the receiver of the message whether they should come to the faith in Jesus as the true messianic person spoken about all throughout the bible in cleverly encoded ways that all believers can see clearly, but non-believers cannot see at all. Let's face it, we both believe we are right about our beliefs, and this extends to other religions as well, but not all of them can be right. We all have our reasons for ruling out one or the other.

Knowingness about things that are unknowable cannot be known unless they are revealed to us so I can understand why Mohamad was viewed as a special prophet. There is no other way to know about these things. God has made all of us with the ability to access him in a very personal way and flip the bit that opens the connection to him through our Lord and savior Jesus Christ the messiah. Once the connection is made, we also have the ability flip that bit off and drop the connection which sets us back on that same course of missing out on the greatest calling you can ever have, to serve God. Serving self leads to death and destruction in ways most people just will not realize until it is too late. We cannot serve two masters. The reason for life itself is to make that connection with God and keep that bit flipped to the on position as much as possible. Learning how to keep that bit set isn't always easy and in some cases could be burdensome, but most of us are not called to be martyrs for the faith, most are just required to listen to what the holy spirit is telling them to do and doing it according to God's will. Of course this is not blind Simon says jump off the cliff, and you jump. There has to be discernment to know which are the false prophets or spirits, and which one's are true to the Word. If you know the word, you know the true spirits and who you can listen to. If you don't know the word, there is a rather big danger that one could fall prey to false prophets and spirits that are clearly not of God. Whole religions or factions of religions are based on false prophets or information that is not of God. Muslims believe in the same God we do, but they are without the true account of his identity and purpose beyond that of a prophet. If you believe in works that lead to some kind of reward for obedience. None of that matters if you have not faith in the blood that covers all the sins of the world which only comes by way of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. There is just no other way and you cannot drive around it, you cannot fight with God about it, you cannot point out contradictions in the bible to hand wave it away. Without faith in him, you will be judged according to your deeds alone. Good luck with that. Remember what he said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." That is as clear as day my friend. There is no direct way to the Father without following the letter of the law perfectly. Since this is not achievable by anyone that I know, it is clear why God the Father sent his son for us and on behalf of us who believe in him. There is no other way.
 

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