The Qur'an

[SachAccess]

May be dear @aziz rasul is very much busy these days hence I will safely assume that he does not get time to answer my silly doubts.
I am still unable to understand motive of this thread.

 

[aziz rasul]

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Many thanks Galaxiom.

 

[aziz rasul]

I'm a chemist rather than a biologist so this isn't my specialty, but I can say that animal husbandry and animal breeding date from times before Jesus.

I'm neither a chemist\biologist\geologist\astronomer\ etc. etc. and don't see why that should stop me from appreciating\acknowledging it. At least give it some credence until you find evidence to the contrary, then you can change your mind and I will take notice as well.

Animal husbandry would have been around at the time of Adam, I would imagine. The point that I am making is that animal husbandry has no relevance to the microscopic level of human reproduction. Hence, in my opinion, it can't have been known at the time unless you can prove otherwise which I have asked you for. If not, then at least acknowledge that it's interesting that such a Qur'anic verse exists.

In addition, the Qur'an mentions that the sperm is a mixture of liquids and that the gender of the unborn child comes from the sperm, i.e. the father determines the gender despite that at the time, the mother was regarded as the person who determined this.

“Verily, We fashioned man from a small quantity of mingled (amchaj) liquids . . .”
Qur’an - Surah al-Insaan (Man) 76:2

37. “Was (man) not a small quantity of sperm which has been poured out?
38. After that, he was something which clings (alaq); then God fashioned him in due proportion and harmoniously.”
Qur’an - Surah al-Qiyaama (The Resurrection) 75:37-8

45. “(God) fashioned the two of a pair, the male and the female,
46. from a small quantity (of sperm) when it is poured out.”
Qur’an – Surah an-Najm (The Star) 53:45-6

You have the "universe creation" mythos incorrectly described

Have I?

The fact that the Qur'an mentions a clinging clot, written 1440 years, IS miraculous in my opinion.

But I'm tiring of the argument with someone whose focus is on ascribing some significance to "mystically obtained knowledge" when YOU can't prove when it was known,
either.

Divine knowledge. Well, YOU have miserably failed to provide proof when I asked you and all you have done in the biology bit is talk about "previous obtained knowledge" which you have not shown.

You have a vested interest in having it NOT having been known earlier, so why would you bother to look? The problem is that you want me to question
MY beliefs but you don't want to question your own beliefs. Which is the utmost in arrogance.

You have a vested interest in having it KNOWN earlier, despite not bothering to look and having no answer? The problem is that you want me to question MY beliefs but you don't want to question your own beliefs. Which adds to your arrogance.

The Quran is ...

The Qur'an is the FINAL Scripture given by God as a Book which repetitively warns the disbelievers and repetitively gives glad tidings to the believers. As the former applies to you, that's why you find it boring. Those who end up in HELLFIRE will be anything but bored

I wish you no ill, but I have to say that you are monotonous in your insistence on the rejection of those verses.

You may, if you wish, take that as recognition that you are at least consistent.

I firmly believe that YOU know what I am saying, but you want to reject it out of hand while I am trying to help you in your Hereafter and end up in Paradise for eternity. Many others wouldn't bother. I'm not intereted in any thanks.

 

[aziz rasul]

pointless arguments with aziz.

You seem to keep back for more

And they will CRY OUT therein, "Our Lord, remove us; we will do righteousness - other than what we were doing!" But did We not grant you life enough for whoever would remember therein to remember, and the WARNER had come to you? So taste [the PUNISHMENT], for there is not for the WRONGDOERS any helper.
Qur'an 35:37

6. For those who reject their Lord (and Cherisher) is the Penalty of HELL: and evil is (such), Destination.
7. When they are cast therein, they will hear the (terrible) drawing in of its breath even as it BLAZES forth,
8. Almost bursting with fury: Every time a Group is cast therein, its Keepers will ask, "Did no Warner come to you?"
9. They will say: "Yes indeed; a Warner did come to us, but we rejected him and said, 'Allaah never sent down any (Message): ye are nothing but an egregious delusion!'"
10. They will further say: "Had we but listened or used our intelligence, we should not (now) be among the Companions of the BLAZING FIRE!"
11. They will then confess their sins: but far will be (Forgiveness) from the Companions of the BLAZING FIRE!
Qur’an - Surah al-Mulk (The Sovereignty) 67:6-11

This is the only type of reply I can give to a person like you. I will keep reminding you of HELL

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The Qur'an is the FINAL Scripture given by God as a Book which repetitively warns the disbelievers and repetitively gives glad tidings to the believers.

Unless, of course, you give any credence to the Book of Mormon.

Beware of discounting it, though, because that opens the way for us to discount the Quran for the same reason that you use to discount the Book of Mormon.

Well, YOU have miserably failed to provide proof when I asked you and all you have done in the biology bit is talk about "previous obtained knowledge" which you have not shown.

But YOU have miserably failed to show that this knowledge was NOT available at the time. My point is simple. NEITHER of us can unequivocally prove the point, so to hold it up for all to see is a case of the Emperor's Clothes. Claiming this knowledge is in some way miraculous presupposes that the Quran is in some way divine, but that point is not proved.

 

[aziz rasul]

There are some rather stunning encodings

I asked whether you believed that the Bible has any contradictions, you gave no answer.

The Qur'an also has numerical miracles. However, to appreciate this kind of miracle, you have to have certain pre-conditions in my opinion i.e.

1. The Scripture has to come from God via a Prophet
2. The Scripture has remained unchanged in the original revealed language and not been changed by man

As far as the Qur'an is concerned, all 2 points above are valid.

However, point 1 is valid for the original Torah (in Hebrew) which was revealed to Moses (peace be upon him) and the original Injeel (in Aramaic) which was revealed to Jesus (peace be upon him). But point 2 is not valid as the Torah has been changed and the Injeel didn't survive.

The 4 Gospels were not revealed by God, but man made (even though there are some verses that agree with Islam) , so doesn't even count. Anyone can fix a man made document to be anything they want it to be.

 

[aziz rasul]

I might be completely wrong here.

Your words. Most of the rest of your post isn't worth answering and would be a waste of my time.

What is the outcome or motive of your post ...

See the title of the thread. The motive is to share the knowledge of Islam so that you can learn something new.

if I am facing any issue about a SQL query, motive of post would be to get the help to solve the issue

I suggest you go to another part of the forum for that. You don't even seem to know that you are in the Watercooler.

 

[aziz rasul]

to answer my silly doubts.

Your words.

 

[pbaldy]

because you fool,

Adam, I'm wondering how your priest/preacher/God would feel about your calling people names. Not favorably I'm guessing. You can treat people with respect even if you disagree with them.

 

[aziz rasul]

Unless, of course, you give any credence to the Book of Mormon.

The Qur'an is the LAST Testament from God, so the Book of Mormon doesn't count as it came afterwards.

Beware of discounting it, though, because that opens the way for us to discount the Quran for the same reason that you use to discount the Book of Mormon.

Which you have already done.

But YOU have miserably failed to show that this knowledge was NOT available at the time.

But if the microscope wasn't invented then, how would I prove a negative? It's YOU that aren't prepared to admit the facts and are running away from them. Carry on running.

The Qur'an, IMHO IS Divine. We are free to accept or reject it as we wish.

There will be no place to HIDE in the Hereafter on the Day of Judgement.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Because there will BE no day of judgment, and therefore hiding will be rather pointless.

 

[aziz rasul]

Because there will BE no day of judgment, and therefore hiding will be rather pointless.

Closer and closer to mankind comes their Reckoning: yet they heed not and they turn away.
Qur'an 21:1

12. And when Hellfire is set ablaze
13. And when Paradise is brought near,
14. A soul will [then] know what it has brought [with it].
Qur'an 81:12-4

So, by the Lord of the heavens and the earth, it (the Day of Recompense) is a reality, as sure as the fact that you (can) speak.
Qur'an 51:23

And brought [within view], that Day, is Hell - that Day, man will remember, but what good to him will be the remembrance?
Qur'an 89:23

71. And those who disbelieved will be driven to Hell in groups until, when they reach it, its gates are opened and its keepers will say, "Did there not come to you messengers from yourselves, reciting to you the verses of your Lord and warning you of the meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say, "Yes, but the word of punishment has come into effect upon the disbelievers.
72. [To them] it will be said, "Enter the gates of Hell to abide eternally therein, and wretched is the residence of the arrogant."
73. But those who feared their Lord will be driven to Paradise in groups until, when they reach it while its gates have been opened and its keepers say, "Peace be upon you; you have become pure; so enter it to abide eternally therein," [they will enter].
Qur'an 39:71-3

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The Qur'an is the LAST Testament from God, so the Book of Mormon doesn't count as it came afterwards.

The contribution of Muhammad came after the end of the Bible so it doesn't count. The Bible had already said that whoever adds to or takes away from the books is wrong and will be condemned. DEUT 4:2 "Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you." And a different but equal warning in REV 22:18-19, "(18) I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. (19) And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll."

Since the Bible is supposedly included in the Quran, that means that it contains its own proof that Muhammad was plagued and lost his share in the tree of life in the Holy City.

 

[aziz rasul]

The contribution of Muhammad came after the end of the Bible so it doesn't count.

Wrong, the Qur'an says that it is the final message, it is on that basis that the book of Mormon doesn't count. The Bible, doesn't say that a new Scripture will not come afterwards. That's the difference. I should have mentioned that in my original reply.

The Bible verses you are mentioning refer to the individual Scripture itself. The Rabbis indeed changed the Torah as I have already said in this thread. That's why those who changed the earlier Scriptures will have to answer for it.

Since the Bible is supposedly included in the Quran,

Some aspects of past history and lessons are included by the same God in His final Book the Qur'an, which has remained unchanged since it was compiled and memorized. So the whole Bible per say is not included in the Qur'an so your last assertion doesn't make any sense. The Qur'an makes corrections to what is in the Bible. For example God does NOT rest as the Bible suggests. Moses (peace be upon him) did NOT break the TEN Commandments tablets as the Bible does, the Qur'an does not contain any contradictions as the Bible does, etc. etc.

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

There are some rather stunning encodings of numbers to words and characters that authenticate the accuracy of the English translation and overall approval of Gods signature

I'm not following, and have no intention of getting deeply involved in this ..... So I'm stopping here!!!!

 

[conception_native_0123]

You can treat people with respect even if you disagree with them.

I agree with you Paul. I take it back. thanks for correcting me.

 

[conception_native_0123]

I will keep reminding you of HELL

great. more images in my head to look forward to! =(

 

[The_Doc_Man]

I have reached the conclusion that it is clearly hopeless. Aziz, with no disrespect intended, it is pointless to argue with you. You have convinced me that to argue religion with you is a lost cause because you have been totally brainwashed by Islam. I wish you well but have wasted enough time.

People comment on how a religious message is often intended to try to save someone from a terrible fate. For that reason, I acknowledge your intent. I have to say, "Thanks but no, thanks." You see, my messages are ALSO intended to save people from a terrible fate. Because if I am right, then your religion robs you of the only thing you really have on this world... time. Time wasted in prayer and ritual dedicated to a non-existent being whose very description makes it impossible for God to exist.

Good luck, Aziz, in your future.

 

[Mike Krailo]

I asked whether you believed that the Bible has any contradictions, you gave no answer.

I gave you something better to focus on that cannot just be waved away as something other than God did himself. BTW, there are no contradictions in the bible, I have seen all the one's that Muslims love to point out as if that somehow proves the bible is corrupted, but no such corruption exists. The gospels are very credible testimonies preserved by the holy spirit. And although they were not recorded right away, the oral tradition back then was very strong and people had very sharp memories unlike the weak minded people today that don't even know their own phone number without looking it up in their phone. The Quran on the other hand was written much later and has no accurate account of of the most important event in all of human history. The book of Hebrews was written way before the Quran.

16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:

25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

So your response to the fact that there is coded math algorithm tied into the bible's English KJV version as already pointed out is man made? Are you even paying attention? It's amazing to me that anyone even found the coding let alone that it's there and the staggering statistical impossibility of it just being a random thing.

 

[conception_native_0123]

you have been totally brainwashed by Islam

LIKE.