World Government (1 Viewer)

[Banana]

The world is already governed by a single force - GREED - without the basic need to have it all there would be a lot more peace.

If I may, I have to disagree just a tiny bit. It's not greed, but rather scarcity of resources. We only have economy because we don't have enough of anything for everyone. There are only two ways to get what we need: 1) by trading in what we have/can produce or 2) by force.

Force is never justified in such cases, yet we routinely see it employed from waging wars to collecting taxes (yes, even taxes voted by majority of people is a use of force against one's private property). And in such cases, shortages are created because it does not change the fact that there isn't enough of resources to be had; it was merely re-distributed from have nots to haves.

If we could have anything we ever wanted, then there'd be no need for economy and consequently no need to exercise force. But such is reality. And IMNSHO, world government just means more exercise of force.

 

[GaryPanic]

The world is already governed by a single force - GREED - without the basic need to have it all there would be a lot more peace.

This is going to foul your post, but I think that lumberjacks would not agree with the paper recycling plot. However, I think Iran or North Korea would volunteer to stockpile all the nuke spent waste, or you could ask your local terrorist cell for disposal suggestions.

- not really , recycled paper has a % of "New " paper within it - and if managed correctly lumberjacks would be employed (I will admit that there might be a reduction in Lumberjacks ) but if we "farm" the forest then there is a job to re-stock it ...

as to nukes total agree - which is why it will never work

 

[Jake Wilkinson]

Well it's too bad everyone is so negative about it. But really, no one can tell what is going to happen on a scheme this size, so don't go and say that it won't work because of nuclear waste dispossal or some other small reason. I don't want people that are so negative and don't even to try to improve the condition of humanity. Eventually world government will happen no matter what anyone wants. And I don't want those kind of people to bring down the advance of humanity.

 

[Banana]

Can I have a hit of that stuff you've got there? It must be good stuff.

 

[georgedwilkinson]

Eventually world government will happen no matter what anyone wants. And I don't want those kind of people to bring down the advance of humanity.

I think you might have the order wrong. It's this "advance of humanity" that is likely to take down the people.

I used to have fantasies when I was a young child about communism, before I knew there was such a thing. I thought it would be such a utopia, everyone working for the common good. Then I got the facts along the way that indicate that the real world works a little differently, even in predominantly socialist countries.

What you're suggesting sounds great, in theory. I'm not sure it can be pulled off practically. I keep thinking about things like "Logan's Run" (man I loved that show but the book was less than desirable). I fear something we can't think of now will put a monkey wrench in the works.

 

[Banana]

I used to have fantasies when I was a young child about communism, before I knew there was such a thing. I thought it would be such a utopia, everyone working for the common good. Then I got the facts along the way that indicate that the real world works a little differently, even in predominantly socialist countries.

If that's any condolences, I used to share same feelings, thinking that some kind of communist utopia would magically fix problems.

I have a minor in International Relations, and I now know better that it takes much more than just wishful philosophical speculation to fix the world's problems.

I particularly like the quote that one of poster here has as a signature: (loosely paraphrased)

"The pessimist complains about the weather; the optimist knows that the weather will change for better; the realist adjust the sails."

 

[Rabbie]

Well it's too bad everyone is so negative about it. But really, no one can tell what is going to happen on a scheme this size, so don't go and say that it won't work because of nuclear waste dispossal or some other small reason. I don't want people that are so negative and don't even to try to improve the condition of humanity. Eventually world government will happen no matter what anyone wants. And I don't want those kind of people to bring down the advance of humanity.

It won't work - not because of Nuclear waste or any other similar detail. It won't work because existing governments won't give up any of the power they already have. For an example just look at Britain's opposition to any increase in the the power of the EU. This is symptomatic of why World Government just isn't going to happen in the foreseeable future. The only way it is going to happen is as a result of some mega catastrophe and I sincerely hope that doesnt occur.

 

[ColinEssex]

It won't work - not because of Nuclear waste or any other similar detail. It won't work because existing governments won't give up any of the power they already have. For an example just look at Britain's opposition to any increase in the the power of the EU. This is symptomatic of why World Government just isn't going to happen in the foreseeable future. The only way it is going to happen is as a result of some mega catastrophe and I sincerely hope that doesnt occur.

If we did have it - it would be along the lines of "Star Trek" where the USA thinks it rules the world.

Col

 

[Mile-O]

If we did have it - it would be along the lines of "Star Trek" where the USA thinks it rules the world.

I don't think there's ever been a hint in Star Trek, The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager or Enterprise that the USA is even a contemporary entity. The ethnic make up of the crew, regardless of the ship, imply a united world where Caucasians, Chinese, Russians, Africans and, er, Vulcans can work together for the cause of humanity and discovery.

 

[statsman]

I don't think there's ever been a hint in Star Trek, The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager or Enterprise that the USA is even a contemporary entity. The ethnic make up of the crew, regardless of the ship, imply a united world where Caucasians, Chinese, Russians, Africans and, er, Vulcans can work together for the cause of humanity and discovery.

I think Col may have a point. Star Trek certainly portrays the varied populations of the "Federation" as thinking like Americans. Of course, it was produced for an American audience so what can you expect. Remember, the various incarnations of Star Trek are there to entertain and make a profit. Wouldn't do much of either if they presented a Cambodian view of the cosmos (except in Cambodia).

Col, don't you mean the USA rules the Universe?

 

[ColinEssex]

Col, don't you mean the USA rules the Universe?

God bless America. I don't know where we'd be without it.

(New) Col

 

[Rabbie]

God bless America. I don't know where we'd be without it.

(New) Col

Can we be sure we got the right Colin back

 

[BarryMK]

I demand a blood test

 

[dan-cat]

I demand a blood test

Give him a bass guitar, see if he can play it.

 

[ajetrumpet]

The world is already governed by a single force - GREED - without the basic need to have it all there would be a lot more peace.

I hate to disagree with this little illusion Mr. Fifty2One, but unfortunately, without corporate greed, the senior citizens of this world would starve to death. Do you work in healthcare? Work with old people? Fixed income is certainly a bit**. But then again, it's better than no income. I wonder if most of them know where that money comes from (probably so)...???

 

[ColinEssex]

Can we be sure we got the right Colin back

I'm trying to be good.

People always seem to knock America, maybe we should focus on the good things to come out of the USA.

Like

Elvis
The Beach Boys
Those Fab 60's chrome finned cars
Jukeboxes - (I have one)
Dr Pepper
Bob Hope (Oh, he was English)
Errol Flynn (Oh, he was Australian)
Chaplin (Oh, he was English)

Oh well - I tried. . . . . . .

Col

 

[Sum Guy]

People always seem to knock America, maybe we should focus on the good things to come out of the USA.

Like

Elvis
The Beach Boys
Those Fab 60's chrome finned cars
Jukeboxes - (I have one)
Dr Pepper
Bob Hope (Oh, he was English)
Errol Flynn (Oh, he was Australian)
Chaplin (Oh, he was English)

Col

One wonders why Hope, Flynn and Chaplin had to go to America in the first place. Artistic freedom, political sanctuary or those millions of Yankee dollars.

You forgot my favourite, Sir Alfred Hitchcock.

BTW Flynn was Tasmanian. Now to you and I that makes him an Austrailian but to a Tasmanian...

I'm trying to be good.
Col

Keep up the good work.

 

[oumahexi]

Jukeboxes - (I have one)

Respect!

 

[oumahexi]

People always seem to knock America, maybe we should focus on the good things to come out of the USA.

Like

TS Elliot
Guns n Roses
The Space Shuttle (including freeze dried food!)
Cable TV
Pumpkin pie
Halloween!!

 

[oumahexi]

Ehhh...

No, thanks.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and especially so when we provide a gigantic organization. I'd think *less* government would be better for everybody. It shouldn't be POTUS's job to fix whatever ails USA. It should be a city mayor's job to fix whatever ails the city.

I always liked the idea in Start Trek of the World Federation, but I think Banana has a point. If we got the wrong people in power it could be our worst nightmare.

Probably better that the "normal Joe" on every street makes a pact to be friends regardless of what their governments say.