Equality for women - has it gone too far?

improper use of "should of" for "should've."

:p

Honestly, that last one drives the Grammar Nazi inside me insane. I cannot stand the use of "of" for "-'ve" in any of its uses.

Me to, but it is normal in the north west of England even heard on our radio, often wonder if the students use it when writing. However, remember that unlike Latin English is a living language forever changing.

Brian
 
That'll do for starters.

Discuss

Col

Ok Col we've had the starters , how about the main course, you know, when you come back and state that the women's place is in the home waiting on her lord and master.

Brian
 
Ok Col we've had the starters , how about the main course, you know, when you come back and state that the women's place is in the home waiting on her lord and master.

Brian

Get it right Bri, I said that if women want babies then they should be prepared to stay at home and do what women are here for - bringing up children and not dumping them on any Tom, Dick or Harry whilst they swan off to work.

If they can't afford to do it properly then they shouldn't have kids.

Oh BTW, what exactly are "gay rights"? I thought poofters had the same rights as anyone.

Col
 
Oh BTW, what exactly are "gay rights"? I thought poofters had the same rights as anyone.

You hit the nail on the head.

They say they want the same rights but really they want special rights.

And these special rights will cost you an I extra money in the form of Taxes to defend these special rights. While this is happening there is less money to spend on basic things like Children's rights.

I once thought that women had equal rights but it appears that they too have special rights.
 
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Get it right Bri, I said that if women want babies then they should be prepared to stay at home and do what women are here for - bringing up children and not dumping them on any Tom, Dick or Harry whilst they swan off to work.


Col
Glad to see you approve of male child minders:D.
 
My only thoughts on gay and lesbian equal rights would be to stop wasting tax payers monies on debating the misery they would rather be in and let them at it.
If gays and lesbians want to go fight in wars and get them selves injured or killed: let them.
If gays and lesbians want to get married and be as miserable as other married folks: do it.
If gays and lesbians want to work the same crappy jobs that other people are working: why not?
etc...
 
I once tried to offer a pregnant woman my seat during a packed rush hour train journey.

Never doing that again. It turned out she wasn't pregnant :o
 
I once tried to offer a pregnant woman my seat during a packed rush hour train journey.

Never doing that again. It turned out she wasn't pregnant :o

You must have referred to it then. Offering your seat to a lady is still the correct thing to do.

Col
 
My only thoughts on gay and lesbian equal rights would be to stop wasting tax payers monies on debating the misery they would rather be in and let them at it.
If gays and lesbians want to go fight in wars and get them selves injured or killed: let them.
If gays and lesbians want to get married and be as miserable as other married folks: do it.
If gays and lesbians want to work the same crappy jobs that other people are working: why not?
etc...

Great post Fifty.

Col
 
You hit the nail on the head.

They say they want the same rights but really they want special rights.

And these special rights will cost you an I extra money in the form of Taxes to defend these special rights. While this is happening there is less money to spend on basic things like Children's rights.

I once thought that women had equal rights but it appears that they too have special rights.

Really? The federal government recognizes marriage and grants certain rights and protections to married couples, especially to federal employees (military, etc...) They should be allowed the same rights and protections. Why is that so hard to understand?

If it's purely a religious act, then the government should stop recognizing it and companies should no longer be able to restrict the rights and protections because of a religious status. This too, is illegal.

No matter how you look at it, the correct way to fix the issue is to grant marriage equality and allow gays and lesbians to marry.

For only a handful of rights and benefits provided to married couples, see this site. There is so much more, but this should provide a short list.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/marriage-rights-benefits-30190.html
 
Of course, the same old argument still holds true. If it doesn't personally affect you, why do you care so much to stop it? Even from a religious standpoint, your religion says YOU can't do it, it doesn't say to stop others. At least, your religion MAY say you can't, this is up for debate depending on translations and definition changes on how certain things are interpreted.
 
Vassago

You did not read my post correctly. Either that or you chose not to.
And these special rights will cost you an I extra money in the form of Taxes to defend these special rights. While this is happening there is less money to spend on basic things like Children's rights.
Last I knew Gays and Lesbians do have the same rights. Is there some special piece of legislation that says they don't. In other words is it written anywhere that Gays and Lesbians are precluded from any legislation.

There really is no need to reply because it simply does not exist.


 
Vassago

You did not read my post correctly. Either that or you chose not to.

Last I knew Gays and Lesbians do have the same rights. Is there some special piece of legislation that says they don't. In other words is it written anywhere that Gays and Lesbians are precluded from any legislation.

There really is no need to reply because it simply does not exist.



It's not that they are specifically excluded. It's that they are excluded because the federal government doesn't recognize gay marriage. A simple change to the definition within the federal government would automatically include them in the same benefits the rest of us enjoy and deserve. Why should a spouse who has someone die for our country be excluded fromt he same benefits as a heterosexual married couple just because they are the same sex? It's a shame, really. We all bleed red and they fight just as hard to protect our rights.
 
Gay and lesbian people also fight just as hard in the military but those who are not in the line of fire seem to feel that this is not good enough either. I really dont care is someone prefers the same sex, they are willing to place their life on the line for the liberty and freedom of my country - they deserve respect of all our citizens, especially our leaders.

It's not that they are specifically excluded. It's that they are excluded because the federal government doesn't recognize gay marriage. A simple change to the definition within the federal government would automatically include them in the same benefits the rest of us enjoy and deserve. Why should a spouse who has someone die for our country be excluded fromt he same benefits as a heterosexual married couple just because they are the same sex? It's a shame, really. We all bleed red and they fight just as hard to protect our rights.
 
Gay and lesbian people also fight just as hard in the military but those who are not in the line of fire seem to feel that this is not good enough either. I really dont care is someone prefers the same sex, they are willing to place their life on the line for the liberty and freedom of my country - they deserve respect of all our citizens, especially our leaders.

Well said! They should also be allowed to visit their wounded partners in the hospital as any other spouse can and make decisions for their partner as any other spouse can when they cannot. They deserve the same benefits as any other soldier. It's ridiculous to think we still have this separation. I don't understand what is so hard for opposition to understand. It's not the right to marry alone they are fighting for. It's everything that is recognized and required by marriage that goes along with it.
 
It is interesting that we are having this discussion. 10 Years or so we would not be so supportive. I believe the Media has had a lot to do with that. We are being desensitised.

I might write more about this even though I will be in for a good arguement.
 
Anybody entering this debate must realise that it is country specific.

In the UK same sex couples may enter civil partnerships which gives them all of the legal rights of a marriage , however it is not a marriage and a lesbian couple legally married in Canada lost a court case over the issue, the judge ruling that marriage involved the right t, or some such thing, to produce and rear children ignoring the fact that people such as Charles and Camilla were to old to produce children and Elton John and his partner are rearing a child !!

It's time they stopped playing with semantics.

Brian
 
It's time they stopped playing with semantics.

Brian

Agreed! 50 years ago, people thought it shameful for blacks and whites to get together. People tried to pass laws to outlaw it in certain areas. Now we are seeing this. People just need to grow up and stop letting something that doesn't even personally affect them fill them with so much negativity they have to fight against it. WHY? I have yet to hear ONE good argument that supports the fight against marriage equality.
 
My only thoughts on gay and lesbian equal rights would be to stop wasting tax payers monies on debating the misery they would rather be in and let them at it.
If gays and lesbians want to go fight in wars and get them selves injured or killed: let them.
If gays and lesbians want to get married and be as miserable as other married folks: do it.
If gays and lesbians want to work the same crappy jobs that other people are working: why not?
etc...

It is very encouraging to see one of the older folks speaking like this. Unfortunately, you're from Canada, which is more advanced than the US in many ways. I wish some of our old timers would get with the program.
 
Going back to post #57, I very much doubt if the judge was simply playing with semantics.

There may be many things that the judge considered to which we are not privy. How then can we make a contrary ruling without all the facts?

Simple because something may or may not be legal in Canada does not necessarily make it legal in Britain where the case was purportedly heard.

In a more general sense, one of the things countries seem to like, and insist on at times is, for want of a different term, legal sovereignty.

For example and in the case of drugs; the import of drugs to one country may bear a vastly different penalty as opposed to imported to another country. Some people may jump up and down at what appears to them as an extreme penalty but a lot of people would simple say “When in Rome, do as the Romans do.”

I think it could also be argued that if legal sovereignty was dismissed then the process of law could become one of lowest common denominator. In other words, if you can do it anywhere else, then you can also do it in Rome.

I doubt if most people, in any sovereignty, would see that as a viable alternative to what they already have. I see legal inertia as a good thing whereby change is not overly responsive to the whims of the day.

The points I’m making here are:-
Without the facts of the case how can we come to some conclusion of the case?
Without the facts, post #57 has no proof and becomes hearsay.
With the hearsay from post #57, post #58 and post #59 become an opinion based on hearsay.

I very much doubt if the judge was forming a judgement based on hearsay.

Chris.
 

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