Uk Road Tax Increase

[Golfer]

yes he was Dan-Cat, and i agree totally that gas guzzlers should pay more.

I also agree with what Scott said about "this money grabbing Government" as it is perhaps the only reply i have read so far that reiterates my original sentiment.

Perhaps i was a little unclear in my earlier posts - i am not against increasing road tax when it comes to those who own high polluting / gas guzzling motors. What i do disagree with is the way this government has profiled the increases so as to capture more of the mid-range cars thus increasing their revenues.
This government is not interested in the environmental issues, it just wants to grab as much money from as many motorists as it possibly can - and like i said in an earlier post, it IS going to be the poorer families that will be hardest hit.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I think this whole argument is nonsense.


As for where the duty should lie, Fuel or Car tax, I say pile it on the car tax, not the fuel. let the gas guzzlers pay more.

The first sentence is nonsense, we are not arguing about whether we should be taxed but how we should pay for our motoring if we are to be taxed.

The last sentence is nonsense. By putting the tax on use rather than purchase the gas guzzlers pay everytime they turn the key.

Brian

 

[Golfer]

Check out this article -

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topsto...se-will-hit-ordinary-families-89520-20430957/

 

[Rabbie]

As for where the duty should lie, Fuel or Car tax, I say pile it on the car tax, not the fuel. let the gas guzzlers pay more.

Gas guzzlers by definition use a lot of fuel so you need to tax fuel if you want people to use less.

As I said in an earlier post if you want to use the tax system to persuade people to use more economical cars then raise the tax on fuel. It's the fuel being burnt which releases the CO2 into the atmosphere.

An increase in road tax has relatively little effect on your annual motoring costs unless you do a very low milage. Most of the cars that will pay the highest rates are very expensive and their owners won't really notice the increase.

 

[scott-atkinson]

The first sentence is nonsense, we are not arguing about whether we should be taxed but how we should pay for our motoring if we are to be taxed.

The last sentence is nonsense. By putting the tax on use rather than purchase the gas guzzlers pay everytime they turn the key.

Brian

My beef is not with the ordinary man, my beef is with those idiots who buy a 4x4, have no children or need for one, but simply buy it because they can, tax em tax em hard..

I have two children, a wife and a dog, (no comments please on which is which), we own a little VW Polo, and when we go away, we squeeze everybody in.

 

[scott-atkinson]

An increase in road tax has relatively little effect on your annual motoring costs unless you do a very low milage. Most of the cars that will pay the highest rates are very expensive and their owners won't really notice the increase.

But what will happen is that this greedy government would make revenue from them enabling a reduction in fuel duty for the normal moterist who has to use their car every day, despite having a 'Green' car.

Anyhows, until the US and China, take Co2 reduction seriously, the little that we do has no effect what so ever.

 

[Alc]

An increase in road tax has relatively little effect on your annual motoring costs unless you do a very low milage. Most of the cars that will pay the highest rates are very expensive and their owners won't really notice the increase.

What about a tax on insuring vehicles of a certain type. Just an idea, but - bear with me - this is based on the fact that it's already against the law to not have insurance, so new legislation on that part wouldn't be needed.
1) If you buy a new 4x4 (to use those cars as an example), you'll have to pay it.
2) If you buy a used 4x4 from a private vendor, you'll have to pay it (which you wouldn't, if the tax were just added to the initial sale).
3) If you already own a 4x4, you'll have to pay it (which you wouldn't, if the tax were just added to the initial sale).
4) If you're car falls into one of the 'acceptable' categories, you won't have to pay it.
5) The insurance companies can do the paperwork, since they're on a license to print money as it is.

You might even be able to additionally prosecute anyone who then drives one of the chosen type of car without insurance for tax evasion (since driving without insurance seems to just get the perpetrator a pitiful fine).

 

[Brianwarnock]

Loads of drivers drive untaxed and uninsured, but nobody can escape fuel tax.

Brian

 

[scott-atkinson]

Loads of drivers drive untaxed and uninsured, but nobody can escape fuel tax.

Brian

Tell me about it, I'm tempted to by Red Diesel and take the risk that I get caught!

 

[Rabbie]

But what will happen is that this greedy government would make revenue from them enabling a reduction in fuel duty for the normal moterist who has to use their car every day, despite having a 'Green' car.

What evidence have you that a greedy government won't take revenue from both sources.

 

[Sum Guy]

Here's a wild idea. Everyone who owns a car is rationed to X number of liters per month. Regardless of your job, regardless of your type of car.
We'll pull a number out of the air...100 litres per month.
On the first 100 litres, you pay minimal tax. On the next 50 litres per month you are taxed at twice that rate per litre. The next 50 twice again etc. etc.
Volunteers like Col would be able to fill up at the hospital pump a certain number of times per month.
If you own the car, you are issued a credit card type device which instructs the pump how much tax to charge you.
Folks who claim they need a car for work will now have a reason to take public transit at night and on the weekends.
The up side is folks who have fuel efficient cars can sell the gas guzzlers thier excess at a profit to themselves

 

[statsman]

Here's a wild idea. Everyone who owns a car is rationed to X number of liters per month. Regardless of your job, regardless of your type of car.
We'll pull a number out of the air...100 litres per month.
On the first 100 litres, you pay minimal tax. On the next 50 litres per month you are taxed at twice that rate per litre. The next 50 twice again etc. etc.
Volunteers like Col would be able to fill up at the hospital pump a certain number of times per month.
If you own the car, you are issued a credit card type device which instructs the pump how much tax to charge you.
Folks who claim they need a car for work will now have a reason to take public transit at night and on the weekends.
The up side is folks who have fuel efficient cars can sell the gas guzzlers thier excess at a profit to themselves

Simple yet effective, I like it.
I especially like the part where at the end of the month I can sell my last cheap litres to my brother for his SUV.
"Give me 20 bucks for using my card. There's 30 cheap litres left on it"

 

[Alc]

Simple yet effective, I like it.
I especially like the part where at the end of the month I can sell my last 30 cheap litres to my brother for his SUV.
"Give me 20 bucks for my card. There's 30 cheap litres left on it"

Selling on the difference was the first thing I thought of, too.
Canada must be making me mercenary

Maybe if the card were somehow linked to the driver's license?

 

[ColinEssex]

Don't patients have to pay for the car service though, unlike the ambulance?

No, it's free to them. I get paid by Essex ambulance service. Essex ambulance gets paid by the hospitals to carry out x thousand journeys per year.

Col

 

[ColinEssex]

Volunteers like Col would be able to fill up at the hospital pump a certain number of times per month.

UK hospitals don't have petrol pumps. I pay full rate from our local filling station.

Col

 

[Rich]

Loads of drivers drive untaxed and uninsured, but nobody can escape fuel tax.

Brian

As I've already pointed out, we already have "green" tax on fuel, it was introduced by Thatcher when we had the third cheapest fuel in Europe, under Brown/Bliar we now have the dearest in Europe, the whole lot is just an excuse for the Labour mob to waste money. The so called green tax isn't even spent on "green" issues

 

[statsman]

Selling on the difference was the first thing I thought of, too.
Canada must be making me mercenary

Maybe if the card were somehow linked to the driver's license?

Or smart.
If I only use 70 litres a month, why can't I sell off my other 30?
I won't know how many liters I have left til near the end of the month.
The gas guzzler used up his 100 litres by the end of week 2. He's still getting dinged at the higher tax rate for half a month.

 

[Sum Guy]

UK hospitals don't have petrol pumps. I pay full rate from our local filling station.

Col

Not necessarily at the hospital then.
Perhaps you could fill up at the Ambulance station or a council facility.
The point being at some source you would be entitled to a certain number of free liters per month based on your average mileage doing the volunteer work that would not count towards your "cheap" litres.

 

[ColinEssex]

Not necessarily at the hospital then.
Perhaps you could fill up at the Ambulance station or a council facility.
The point being at some source you would be entitled to a certain number of free liters per month based on your average mileage doing the volunteer work that would not count towards your "cheap" litres.

Yes I see what you're getting at.

In the UK (well, in Essex anyway) the police, ambulances etc all fill up at local filling stations obviously on an account. Maybe 'essential' voluntary drivers could be allowed x litres for free on the ambulance account.

I've cut my days down now, I only do 2 days a week - it was working out that just over 50% of the remuneration was going on fuel. I've just had the car serviced costing £210 ($420) it will take me one months work to recoup that money.

Col

 

[Fifty2One]

Selling on the difference was the first thing I thought of, too.
Canada must be making me mercenary

Maybe if the card were somehow linked to the driver's license?

Hahaha there would be a waiting list for all my surplus cheepie fuel based on 100 litres a month, my moped gets 150 miles to the gallon