Uk Road Tax Increase

[Rabbie]

Differences in vehicle usage it would seem.

In Canada we have "blue fuel" which I assume does the same. The exhaust from a vehcile using it is blue. I assume in the UK its red. Blue fuel is taxed at a much lower rate.

The fuel in UK has a red dye so its use can be detected by taking a sample from the fuel tank. The exhaust is the normal colour.

 

[statsman]

The fuel in UK has a red dye so its use can be detected by taking a sample from the fuel tank. The exhaust is the normal colour.

Seems our way is easier.
The first thing a Mountie looks for on a passenger vehicle is the colour of the exhaust. Then they take a fuel sample.
I assume the same holds true for Diesel but I'm a city boy.

 

[Rich]

If a farmer has a 4x4 for agricultural use, he never has to take it off the farm. As a result, he doesn't have to pay road tolls, doesn't need a licence plate and he can use agricultural fuel.

A tractor is different to what is basically a car, a tractor is allowed to drive so many miles on a public highway without road tax, I don't think the 4x4 is here

 

[Rabbie]

A tractor is different to what is basically a car, a tractor is allowed to drive so many miles on a public highway without road tax, I don't think the 4x4 is here

I think we have a language problem again. A SUV is often referred to as a 4x4 here. So we would normally use a tractor on our fields and the 4x4 would be norm,al road transport. An old joke here is that the only time a 4x4 goes off road is when they are parked on the pavement(sidewalk for our trans-atlantic friends)

 

[scott-atkinson]

So, guys, What is the solution?

How can we as a nation of free thinking people convince the government of this country to reduce duty on Fuel.

Blockading refineries has been tried and failed, road blocks and conveys have been tried and failed, not buying fuel on a particular day has tried and failed, boycotting fuel sales from Esso and BP has tried and failed...

So what next... any solutions?

How about every body who drives a diesel vehicle buys Red instead of normal, this will push the government into a massive revenue loss, and they cannot have enough police force to stop and test, let alone fine every vehicle!!

 

[Rabbie]

So, guys, What is the solution?

How can we as a nation of free thinking people convince the government of this country to reduce duty on Fuel.

Blockading refineries has been tried and failed, road blocks and conveys have been tried and failed, not buying fuel on a particular day has tried and failed, boycotting fuel sales from Esso and BP has tried and failed...

So what next... any solutions?

How about every body who drives a diesel vehicle buys Red instead of normal, this will push the government into a massive revenue loss, and they cannot have enough police force to stop and test, let alone fine every vehicle!!

A few practical problems there!. You just can't go and buy red diesel at a filling station. You have have it delivered to your storage tank. Customs check the amount delivered and would soon notice the increased usage. Not only would the users of the fuel be prosecuted but the person/company with the storage tank would risk being prosecuted as well and be made to pay fines well in excess of the duty saved. They would also risk losing the right to red diesel. Not worth the game I'm afraid.

A sad fact of life but goverments have to tax things in order to pay for the health service, education, defence, police, prisons etc etc. If you cut fuel tax which taxes will you raise to make up what you lose.

 

[oumahexi]

So, guys, What is the solution?

We could give them what they "say" they want - use public transport. How long before the tranport systems couldn't cope with demand? Better still, the loss of revenue would criple them in exactly the same way as if everyone stopped smoking or drinking. They say they want it, but if we gave it to them, they'd be up the preverbial creek without a paddle.

 

[georgedwilkinson]

Agreed. If the pain of the tax causes the "taxees" to change their behavior so the tax's impact on them is decreased, the government will either have to raise taxes (resulting in more behavior change) or lower taxes to increase revenue back to pre-behavior-change levels.

I'm personally thinking about going out and buying a motor-cycle for my commute and errands. I haven't driven one for 32 years and my wife is against the idea. But it is a behavior change brought on by financial concerns.

Any opinions?

 

[oumahexi]

I'm personally thinking about going out and buying a motor-cycle for my commute and errands. I haven't driven one for 32 years and my wife is against the idea. But it is a behavior change brought on by financial concerns.

Any opinions?

You don't forget how to ride a motor bike, it's second nature, if you've been a biker.

I doubt that your wife is concerned about your skills so much as the idiots on the road who just don't care about other road users, and especially those on motor bikes.

It's a good way to save money, addictive way to travel and you have the added benefit of not being obliged to offer lifts.

 

[georgedwilkinson]

I think she's worried about both!

I'm thinking about something between 350-500 cc. That's for a daily commute of 60 miles round trip.

I'm interested in something that will get more than 40 MPG (don't know how to convert that to European measure).

What do you think?

 

[oumahexi]

I think she's worried about both!

I'm thinking about something between 350-500 cc. That's for a daily commute of 60 miles round trip.

I'm interested in something that will get more than 40 MPG (don't know how to convert that to European measure).

What do you think?

I wouldn't be looking at anything less than 400 to be honest, you'll still get the mileage and the added advantage of better torque if you need it.

If you haven't ridden in 32 years, chances are you haven't ridden in the UK. You may have to sit a proficiency test and I think the first test only lets you ride up to 250 or 300.

Have you looked at the roads you're going to be riding on? Also a huge factor. I don't know what they're like where you are. Our county is really good at repairing road damage, but as soon as you hit Edinburgh city limits the roads appear to be made of Swiss cheese. Road tax is certainly not put to repairs there!

 

[rsmonkey]

as I said brian you didnt read my previous post, increasing fuel tax Will Not Work...
Yes it creates more tax revenue for the government but it affects everyone because:

Haulage Companies are hit by higher fuel costs so they transfer this extra financial burden on Stores / Super Markets etc... who inturn transfer this cost on to the consumer. Hence the recent increase in food prices (increased production costs included etc...) Therefore increased fuel tax affects EVERYONE......

I also saw someone ask why fuel prices are increasing since there are large supplies in the north sea. Well oil extraction is a complex science. Read up about it on wikipedia or where ever however whats happened is that all the 'easy to reach' oil has been extracted so they are having to spend millions, trillions, billions on extracting the harder to get stuff hence the increase in oil prices. Its not so much the running out of oil its more keeping up with supply and demand; with reduced extraction speeds & availability it pushes the price of the barrel up.

as for high MPG veichles the lightweight diesels wipe the floor with everyone.

Audi A2 - 90MPG
Renaults 1.4 & 1.5 dCi - 60-90MP
Newer BMW 180d - 50-70MPG
Seat Ibiza Diesel: 90MPG

Its really not difficult to find a veichle out their which has got decent enough MPG to get you from A to B.

As for a solution to the veichle infrastructure? Their is nones they should simply invest in non-pollutants. The whole global warming thing is a scam anyway. 67% of global warming isnt man made. Just gonna have to sit through it and wait until the green peace freaks die out. Im still against people driving ridiculous motors though.

 

[Rabbie]

Road tax is certainly not put to repairs there!

As Winston Churchill said when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer in the 1920s. "Expecting the Road Fund licence revenue to be spent on road maintenance is as illogical as expecting the duty on alcohol to be spent on pubs"

 

[oumahexi]

The whole global warming thing is a scam anyway. 67% of global warming isnt man made. Just gonna have to sit through it and wait until the green peace freaks die out. Im still against people driving ridiculous motors though.

You see, that's what gets the greenies going, they're looking at that and thinking "so we're responsible for 33% of global warming! We better do something about it!

I doubt the figure is that much, an exageration! I'd be more inclined to think that the route problem is that we are heading straight for Amageddon. (And I very much doubt that one too!

 

[oumahexi]

As Winston Churchill said when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer in the 1920s. "Expecting the Road Fund licence revenue to be spent on road maintenance is as illogical as expecting the duty on alcohol to be spent on pubs"

&^^&%))*%$ politicians!! Why don't they issue them with a uniform when they reach parliment? Black and white stripes on the T-shirts and a Zorro mask. Oh, yes, and the word "swag" written on their briefcases.

 

[Rabbie]

You see, that's what gets the greenies going, they're looking at that and thinking "so we're responsible for 33% of global warming! We better do something about it!

I doubt the figure is that much, an exageration! I'd be more inclined to think that the route problem is that we are heading straight for Amageddon. (And I very much doubt that one too!

We live on a planet with finite resources that are being consumed at an ever increasing rate by a population that is also increasing very fast. The developing countries understandably want to increase their standard of living and so the demand cotinues to grow. Sooner or later something catastrophic will happen and it can't be a bad thing if we start looking now at developing alternative sources of energy. It has taken hundreds of millions of years to buld up the oil and coal reserves and we have consumed a lot in the last 250 years.

 

[rsmonkey]

If you were to supply me with an M4 add enough ammo I would be happy to do some political cleansing... i would wanna use a bomb, I quite like westminster.

 

[Rabbie]

If you were to supply me with an M4 add enough ammo I would be happy to do some political cleansing... i would wanna use a bomb, I quite like westminster.

You do realise that the authorities can make us all accessories to your crime unless we report this post to the anti-terrorist police

So much for freedom in this country

 

[Brianwarnock]

as I said brian you didnt read my previous post, increasing fuel tax Will Not Work...
Yes it creates more tax revenue for the government but it affects everyone because:

I did read your post and agree with many points you make, but the original thread was discussing the increase in the road fund licence, and that is designed as and called a green issue, on that point I say increasing fuel tax is the most effecive and fairest method.

I did not say that I was in favour of high fuel taxes or any taxes for that matter. If the government only want to hit the private motorist then it should be able to come up with a better/fairer solution than putting up road tax, if I was to pay high standing charges then it makes sense to use my vehicle more, not less.

Brian

 

[Rich]

If you haven't ridden in 32 years, chances are you haven't ridden in the UK. You may have to sit a proficiency test and I think the first test only lets you ride up to 250 or 300.

It's a 125 actually