A Special Thanks to all vets

[John Big Booty]

Joe do you own a gun? If so, and guessing you regard yourself as a christian (most americans claim they are) and ex military. How do you feel about the possibility of killing a total stranger on the say-so of your president?

Does that conflict with your christian beliefs? or is it ok to kill people?

Col

An interesting dichotomy; On the one hand the 6th commandment (or 5th , depending on your faith) states "Thou Shalt not kill/murder", on the other a soldier is bound to carry out any legal order he is given. I guess the out is that, a soldier being a tool of, the state having limited rights(?) to wage war under this commandment.

 

[ColinEssex]

Colin, I never met you, but what ever answer I gave you would say "you dumb Americans are all alike", you are so anti American it wouldn't matter what answer I gave. Colin you great guy, but you have to get away from being so anti American. What did we or I do ever deserve the bad rap. Hey I am easy going guy, with supporting my country, and respecting other people.

If I can accept you the way you are, you should in turn do the same.

To answer your question. I guess define what is christian. Now if we bring in relgion, then we go into a whole new topic. What christian means to me and what it means to you, would be differen't (maybe). Of course it not ok to kill people, but to defend my country, I would do it in heart beat.

1) I never call americans dumb - misguided and brainwashed, for sure.

2) asking questions of an american does not constitute being anti-american, it only gets branded that way by Americans who avoid probing questions. Neither Rich nor I are anti-American.

3) I presume therefore from your answer that an American christian is different from any other one?

I'll get back to you - I'm away for a couple of days now so won't be posting

Col

 

[Bodisathva]

...Does that conflict with your...beliefs? or is it ok to kill people?

He needed killin' is a perfectly acceptable explanation

 

[Rich]

but to defend my country, I would do it in heart beat.

Then I have to ask, in what way was the war in Nam defending America, or even the current debacle in Iraq?

 

[Jacob Mathai]

Joe do you own a gun? If so, and guessing you regard yourself as a christian (most americans claim they are) and ex military. How do you feel about the possibility of killing a total stranger on the say-so of your president?

Does that conflict with your christian beliefs? or is it ok to kill people?

Col

Was Prince Andrew brainwashed into fighting in the Falklands war in 1982?
Was he an innocent bystander in Falklands? Did he obey orders? I read he was a military helicopter pilot.
How did Falklands become a territory of great Britain? Did Britain confiscate the land from the natives?

Col, there are no easy answers when it comes to the functioning of a country's military. They obey orders. We may disagree with the President's policies. But we honor our soldiers.

 

[Alc]

Then I have to ask, in what way was the war in Nam defending America, or even the current debacle in Iraq?

Unless I'm mistaken (which is always an option):

Vietnam was one battle in the war against communism, the threat of which was perhaps taken to extremes at the time.

Iraq was a pre-emptive strike against a country which
a) not only definitely had WMDs, but has proven to be the world leader at hiding them.
b) would result in a resounding victory, thereby importantly restoring faith in the president.
c) is also rather selfishly hoarding oil which would be better shared with other countries who want to cheaply run large cars.

Therefore, both could be said to be wars that defended the US way of life.

 

[Rich]

Was Prince Andrew brainwashed into fighting in the Falklands war in 1982?
Was he an innocent bystander in Falklands? Did he obey orders? I read he was a military helicopter pilot.
How did Falklands become a territory of great Britain? Did Britain confiscate the land from the natives?

Col, there are no easy answers when it comes to the functioning of a country's military. They obey orders. We may disagree with the President's policies. But we honor our soldiers.

We've had these arguments before, the Falklands was British sovereign territory, the residents had voted by a majority to remain British. How about Hawaii by the way, remind me which country confiscated that land from the natives?

 

[Rich]

Therefore, both could be said to be wars that defended the US way of life.

Why don't they just stay at home and keep re-enacting the 1860's?

 

[Alc]

We've had these arguments before, the Falklands was British sovereign territory, the residents had voted by a majority to remain British. How about Hawaii by the way, remind me which country confiscated that land from the natives?

Is it acceptable to take land from the people who took it from the natives in the first place?
If not, can we have North America back, please?

 

[GaryPanic]

Unless I'm mistaken (which is always an option):

Vietnam was one battle in the war against communism, the threat of which was perhaps taken to extremes at the time.

Iraq was a pre-emptive strike against a country which
a) not only definitely had WMDs, but has proven to be the world leader at hiding them.
b) would result in a resounding victory, thereby importantly restoring faith in the president.
c) is also rather selfishly hoarding oil which would be better shared with other countries who want to cheaply run large cars.

Therefore, both could be said to be wars that defended the US way of life.

hope that this was tongue in cheek - (c) sharing means the US gets all the oil
(b) a vistory - this is gonna lead to a real nightmare - as this conflict is going to religous areas which are not bound by geoegraphy - but by idealism the US (and GB) will be a target in every country where their is Islam extremists
the Islamic faith is being demonised - which is wrong - it is like saying that the christians are killing the muslism ,

(a) WMD - proven to be a lie - we had a professional Weapons inspector state this - and mysteriously (typo) he ws found hanging from a tree - this caused a major debate and ended up with senior people at the BBC (Greg Dike) being fired


We and the American people have been lied to, and this is unforgiveable and why T.Blair is loathed in the UK and also why Bush is despised (typo) by most Brits
a couple of half decent polictians resigned from office rather than serve under this lie (Robin Cook) (although I could not stand him)

This may be the cause of some anti-american ranting that you see on this forum-
I dislike Bush.
the american people are just as crazy as us brit and i have enjoyed meeting them, talking, drinking (most definately) and genrally have a good time with our Cousins accross the water.

- THe President seems to imply that what ever the US does is ok as long as its good for USA - if it a diaster for someone else - then its not the USA problem or tuff luck , ifd the US wants say oil in Iraq then it will justify getting the oil
with regards to oil and iraq 60% of all sales of oil from Iraq go to the USA it might not be the oil itself but that is the deal that the puppet goverement of Iraq had to sign up to.

 

[Alc]

hope that this was tongue in cheek - (c) sharing means the US gets all the oil
(b) a vistory - this is gonna lead to a real nightmare - as this conflict is going to religous areas which are not bound by geoegraphy - but by idealism the US (and GB) will be a target in every country where their is Islam extremists
the Islamic faith is being demonised - which is wrong - it is like saying that the christians are killing the muslism ,

(a) WMD - proven to be a lie - we had a professional Weapons inspector state this - and mysteriously (typo) he ws found hanging from a tree - this caused a major debate and ended up with senior people at the BBC (Greg Dike) being fired


We and the American people have been lied to, and this is unforgiveable and why T.Blair is loathed in the UK and also why Bush is despised (typo) by most Brits
a couple of half decent polictians resigned from office rather than serve under this lie (Robin Cook) (although I could not stand him)

This may be the cause of some anti-american ranting that you see on this forum-
I dislike Bush.
the american people are just as crazy as us brit and i have enjoyed meeting them, talking, drinking (most definately) and genrally have a good time with our Cousins accross the water.

- THe President seems to imply that what ever the US does is ok as long as its good for USA - if it a diaster for someone else - then its not the USA problem or tuff luck , ifd the US wants say oil in Iraq then it will justify getting the oil
with regards to oil and iraq 60% of all sales of oil from Iraq go to the USA it might not be the oil itself but that is the deal that the puppet goverement of Iraq had to sign up to.

The whole post was tongue in cheek.
Note to self: Remember to use smilies more.

 

[GaryPanic]

No your fine - its me being a muppet

 

[Rich]

If not, can we have North America back, please?

Hell, no way!

 

[Fifty2One]

Is it acceptable to take land from the people who took it from the natives in the first place?
If not, can we have North America back, please?

They are not going to give it back easily, just ask the family of Dudley George!

 

[dan-cat]

As I'm sure you've been told before, he happens to be the leader of the party with the majority in the House of Commons, he was not elected as the leader of the country, unlike Bush

Who lead the British people into the war with Iraq then

 

[Rich]

Who lead the British people into the war with Iraq then

The house of commons based on the lies that were fed to them
and as an aside it was clear at the time that a majority of the British people were against it, Bliar didn't listen and as such is leaving office before he's thrown

 

[dan-cat]

The house of commons based on the lies that were fed to them
and as an aside it was clear at the time that a majority of the British people were against it, Bliar didn't listen and as such is leaving office before he's thrown

Nothing has changed, Blair is given free license to dictate his own terms, even his departure time.

I know this is clear. The British people have done precious little different to what the American people have done to change their own countries' foreign policy in Iraq.

The majority of the British people were against it and then...did nothing.

 

[qailoh]

Nothing has changed, Blair is given free license to dictate his own terms, even his departure time.

I know this is clear. The British people have done precious little different to what the American people have done to change their own countries' foreign policy in Iraq.

The majority of the British people were against it and then...did nothing.

*crickets chirp*

I know it's pointless to try to get the rabid anti american set to admit to their own hypocrisy, but I admire your continuing efforts to point it out.

 

[Rich]

Nothing has changed, Blair is given free license to dictate his own terms, even his departure time.

I know this is clear. The British people have done precious little different to what the American people have done to change their own countries' foreign policy in Iraq.

The majority of the British people were against it and then...did nothing.

Unlike the American people who were so against it they voted Bush back in with an increased Majority, Bliar only got in again because the Scots voted his party back in

 

[Rich]

*crickets chirp*

I know it's pointless to try to get the rabid anti american set to admit to their own hypocrisy, but I admire your continuing efforts to point it out.

Read the previous post and show me were the hypocrisy exists