A textbook definition of cowardice

[KenHigg]

Something about war, death & charts comes accross as a bit belittling...

 

[Matty]

For Colin and Rich to understand you, you have to speak in a way they will understand, so belittling seems the way to go.

 

[Brianwarnock]

When I was at school Moscow was in Europe, and therefore part of the USSR was in Europe,, when did it move?

Brian

 

[nikkypickles]

Here's that chart again...

Sorry - you've lost me with the chart - what are you trying to prove? I got a headache trying to follow the cross-Atlantic war of words

 

[jsanders]

When I was at school Moscow was in Europe, and therefore part of the USSR was in Europe,, when did it move?

Brian

That was my memory as well, plus half (or so) of Europe belonged the them at one time anyway.

 

[Rich]

They sure wanted to be, Oh i remember now, we kept that from happening.

Here we go, next you'll be taking the credit for ending communist rule and replacing it with the Russian mafia

 

[Rich]

I'd still like to know how a product of UK education could describe the protagonists of the Vietnam war as thus:



Here's that chart again...

Not really sure why you have such a problem with this Daniella

Nondescript
Lacking distinctive qualities; having no individual character or form

 

[Matty]

Can you give me a female name too, Rich? Pretty please?

 

[dan-cat]

Sorry - you've lost me with the chart - what are you trying to prove? I got a headache trying to follow the cross-Atlantic war of words

GWB is demonized 'cos of Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc.

Losses in Iraq pale in comparision to Vietnam.

I wanted to understand why LBJ and JFK aren't demonized too?
Why the discrepancy?

 

[dan-cat]

Not really sure why you have such a problem with this Daniella

Nondescript
Lacking distinctive qualities; having no individual character or form

Rule for GWB: Use of foreign policy to demonize allowed
Rule for LBJ: Use of foreign policy to demonize not allowed?

 

[Rich]

Rule for GWB: Use of foreign policy to demonize allowed
Rule for LBJ: Use of foreign policy to demonize not allowed?

No I was sure I'd already explained this to you, but here goes again, LBJ was drawn further into a war that he didn't start, after he'd bumped off JFK, of course.
Bush sought and got elected on a pledge to invade Iraq for a regime change

 

[Rich]

Can you give me a female name too, Rich? Pretty please?

Is there something you want to tell us?

 

[Brianwarnock]

GWB is demonized 'cos of Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc.

Losses in Iraq pale in comparision to Vietnam.

I wanted to understand why LBJ and JFK aren't demonized too?
Why the discrepancy?

Can I take a stab at this?

The rest of the world, ie Europe, was not dragged into Vietnam nor did any acts of terror flow from it, thus it can be ignored as a purelyUS thing, bit like raising tax on petrol(gas).

Brian

 

[Matty]

I still don't see why JFK isn't demonized. The only reason I got from you was that he was killed and therefore has gained sympathy in the history books.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I still don't see why JFK isn't demonized. The only reason I got from you was that he was killed and therefore has gained sympathy in the history books.

Is this a response to me or Rich or Col?

If me my point is that what he did did not have a negative effect on the UK and it is, I think, UK posters who are demonizing GWB and not others.

Brian

 

[dan-cat]

The rest of the world, ie Europe, was not dragged into Vietnam nor did any acts of terror flow from it, thus it can be ignored as a purelyUS thing, bit like raising tax on petrol(gas).

But surely Vietnam was a part of the Cold War which of course had global significance.

 

[Matty]

Is this a response to me or Rich or Col?

If me my point is that what he did did not have a negative effect on the UK and it is, I think, UK posters who are demonizing GWB and not others.

Brian

Sorry, it wasn't to you. I forgot to quote. It was actually to Rich.

 

[msp]

Rule for GWB: Use of foreign policy to demonize allowed
Rule for LBJ: Use of foreign policy to demonize not allowed?

Was America as divided (at the start of Vietnam) as it is with Iraq. My understanding is that the anti-Vietnam protest did not start until about 66, 67, and really kicked in with conscription?

GWB seems to have built almost his whole presidency on the "War on Terror". It is almost the sole thing he will be remembered for (out side the US)

LBJ is hardly remembered at all.

I am sure if JFK was not shot history would have seen his presidency diffrently, and he would not be remembered in such a rose tinted way.

 

[Rich]

But surely Vietnam was a part of the Cold War which of course had global significance.

No it was an American war, we weren't so paranoid over socialism and justice

 

[dan-cat]

If me my point is that what he did did not have a negative effect on the UK and it is, I think, UK posters who are demonizing GWB and not others.

Wasn't it JFK who deployed nuclear warheads in the UK which resulted in the Cuban Missile Crisis?