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oh and hey Maj, when it comes to things like recursion and other engineering concepts I did not go to school for...the way I sort those out, if I indeed need to explain it to someone, is to write it down step by step and put it in common sense terms and relate it to a concept in real life that every human who is non-technical understands. I am one of very few people I would assume that can do such a thing. per my faq, which is pretty much finished:
if you want to think about a custom class and it's properties, think about a mother and 3 children living in her household. without the mother, the children cannot survive and have no purpose in terms of who they can "follow" and get guidance from. same is true of a class and it's properties. without the class object in existence, properties are completely pointless and serve no purpose because they do not have a parent
feel free to correct my "lack of knowledge" if there is any there. remember, I'm not schooled in this!
 

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For one thing, your mother/child and class/property analogy is terribly flawed. The properties are not merely pointless if the class has not been instantiated... the properties don't exist at all. Attributes of things that require instantiation just DON'T EXIST until instantiation.

A child can exist (once born) even if the mother dies and thus ceases to exist. A property of a class simply DOES NOT EXIST outside the class, before it is created or after it is destroyed.

As to "not schooled in this" ... yes, we can tell.
 

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For one thing, your mother/child and class/property analogy is terribly flawed. The properties are not merely pointless if the class has not been instantiated... the properties don't exist at all. Attributes of things that require instantiation just DON'T EXIST until instantiation.

A child can exist (once born) even if the mother dies and thus ceases to exist. A property of a class simply DOES NOT EXIST outside the class, before it is created or after it is destroyed.

As to "not schooled in this" ... yes, we can tell.
that's a great explanation Richard. and that's a pretty good education you gave me. but to a young person that knows nothing about programming, I'm pretty sure my way would work better than yours in terms of relating to the individual. ;) but to make my words better and more on-point regarding the theoretical nature and thought process of our work, I should probably re-word what I said after adopting some suggestions from you.

regarding you comment of ""a property does not exist until instantiation""....if you said that to a newbie who was 18 years old and knew nothing, you would more than likely lose the poor soul immediately and they'd walk away from you feeling stupid. I've seen that a countless number of times. a great example is the young man I'm talking to who's going through the process of being confirmed as a catholic with me. he told me that his professor at his community college asked him what a library was. and he told me that his response was: "it's a variable, isn't it?" So you see, someone like that, if they talked to someone like you or the rest of the "pros" here, would walk away from you right away because you've just done something you accuse me of all the time => putting the cart before the horse. so I guess we could both learn something from this, huh? ;)

in terms of his confusion, would I be accurate in my statement if I told him that the following was the definition of library in Python?
a PY or PYD file is nothing more than just a set of structural entities, or "structs" that can do any number of things. but the baseline purpose of it is to provide you, the programmer, the low-level resources you need to build a program in the python language
what do you think Richard? The same is true in any language, isn't it? for instance, VBA has COMs, DLLs, OLBs and OCXs. Per my website (partial images):

tlb_resources.jpg
olb_resources.jpg
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You like definitions? Here is one for you. "A programming library is like a toolkit. It contains useful programming things to do different tasks just like a toolkit contains tools to do different tasks. The difference is that in a library, the contents are bunches of code items where as a toolkit contains hammers, screwdrivers, and wrenches. A carpenter or mechanic uses the toolkit by taking out what is needed for the next task. A programmer uses the library by copying the code segment that is needed for the next task. If a carpenter buys a new tool, it can be added to the tool kit. If a programmer gets a new code segment, it can also be added to the library. Mechanics and carpenters have their specific tools which may differ from each other because they do somewhat different things, just as specialist programmers may have different libraries since what they do ALSO differs from one specialty to the next. Therefore, just as there can be different kinds of toolkits, there can be different kinds of libraries."

There, did I lose you, Adam, or did I shoot too high? SOME of us were once educators and remember how to make decent definitions and analogies for folks who might be new to the craft. Did I just explain libraries well enough for your standards?

All that crap when you listed various libraries is just obfuscation to hide the fact that you couldn't give a decent functional description of a library. You didn't shoot very low in your definition either. Your ploy seems to be to dump huge volumes of stuff you look up to make it look like you knew what we meant, but your adjacent commentary to that dump usually reveals the truth.
 

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well the purpose of my website is not really to dump a large amount of informational $hit out on a page to make myself look good. I hope that's not what you're thinking. is it? and your definition is just fine. no argument from me about it.

the website serves many purposes, but one is a large knowledgebase available for developers and aspiring developers. what I showed you in the images is just a very small portion of what is currently available. however, it's *live* status is months away at this point.
 

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So here I am, almost 2am and WHERE am I? Geez, I need some serious help! Or do I? :unsure:
 
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So here I am, almost 2am and WHERE am I? Geez, I need some serious help! Or do I? :unsure:
AWF needs YOU, not the other way around. You're not feeding an addiction, rather you are doing your humanitarian duty...
 

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So here I am, almost 2am and WHERE am I? Geez, I need some serious help! Or do I? :unsure:
do you? well i don't know Gina, can you keep doing that and keeping up with that schedule? Neither of us are really college age. Personally, I can't believe you have the energy to maintain a schedule like that, being up at 2am!
 

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It's called Commitment @vba_php And how do you know how old Gina is unless unless you're just try for a respose??
 

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Am I missing something? Where is the Donate button?
I was only kidding. There isn't one. It was a reference to an earlier joke I made. I'm creating a complex web of them that only I understand.
 

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I have created this virtual world at Access World forums, now I am lost in it.
 

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I am the root cause. Therefore I created my own destiny.
 

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I am the root cause. Therefore I created my own destiny.
if you're the root on a computer, you can also create your own destiny branches. they are referred to as "dirs" I believe.
 

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perhaps other people have helped you become caught in it?
I suppose I could have created my own operating system and then that gets helped and infected by others. Are you saying hackers have hacked my mind?
 

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I suppose I could have created my own operating system and then that gets helped and infected by others. Are you saying hackers have hacked my mind?
well no, but if you are doing what I'm currently doing as I'm talking to you in this thread, you might become subject to this at some point:

Man In The Middle Hacking Attack
 

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Tell me Adam, are you a hacker? Do you hack minds? Have you learned how to get inside the human operating system and tweak the code?
 

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