Anniversaries, 09/11 and Hurricane Ike

[Fifty2One]

It is sad when innocent people have to die for causes that they have no part in and just become the ultimate victim of circumstance. For this we owe the respect for those persons who have perished and also the respect to those left behind who now have an empty place in their hearts.



Empty vessels make a louder noise. I think it is deplorable that someone can be so lacking in humility to be able to taunt persons who have enough empathy in their hearts, thoughts and spirits to allow some understanding towards the mourning of others.
It is troubling when people want to degrade themselves by such an annoying practice of stirring up other people with bigotry and prejudice. I just need to wonder what they must be lacking in their lives to need to replace feeling of compassion for the need to disgrace themselves.

 

[MSAccessRookie]

So has 11/9 reached a sacred status in the USA? Is it a public holiday?

Col

Initially, I thought I would ignore this senseless comment. Anyone with that read the thread should realize by now that 9/11/2001 is important to, and will probably never be forgotten by anyone who was in New York City, in or near the Pentagon, in or near a particular small Field in Pennsylvania on that day, or related to anyone that was killed on that day.

Nowhere has it been said that the day has been declared holiday or any other similar status, however, the senseless violence does deserve to be remembered by anyone who chooses to do so.

I truly hope that the good people in the County of Essex in England never have to live through a day like I lived on 9/11/2001. No one deserves that, no matter what anyone else thinks about their beliefs or politics.

 

[MSAccessRookie]

Leave it to Colin to turn a thread remembering thousands of people who died into another shit spewing argument.

I was hoping that this would be one time that the thread could continue its purpose instead of being sidetracked by people with one track minds.

 

[Kryst51]

I don't know much about Hurricane Ike, but I have been following the Hurricane Katrina story. The Washington Times wrote: HUD secretary 'disturbed' by Katrina rebuilding.

Check out these links

wikipedia - We all know how credible Wikipedia is, I just wanted to quickly add some things for informative purposes
The Houston Chronicle - This one is our Newspaper and is credible.
StormPulse - I just did a google search and came up with this.

Edit: hmmm, I want to display pics from my blog, but without giving access to my blog, and I can't get it to work.

Here's an interesting one. although not in Houston, this is Galveston
Another
Bolivar Peninsula
Bolivar Again

 

[TessB]

So has 11/9 reached a sacred status in the USA? Is it a public holiday?

Col

I don't know about sacred status.
They read the names every year in new york.
It IS recognized as "Patriots Day" although I have no idea why they would call it that. But it's not a "Holiday" in the sense of it being a paid day off work or anything. As for my own experience, it was Sept 11th.... a normal day, just like the infamous Sept 11th started out as being, but this Sept 11, it was normal all the day through.

 

[Rich]

I truly hope that the good people in the County of Essex in England never have to live through a day like I lived on 9/11/2001. No one deserves that, no matter what anyone else thinks about their beliefs or politics.

What a typically ignorant American response!, we suffered 25 YEARS of terrorist attacks thanks to Americans funding their terrorism, when we came on not wanting to sing the praises of that chief fund raiser Kennedy we were spat at and branded anti-American

 

[Rich]

I was hoping that this would be one time that the thread could continue its purpose instead of being sidetracked by people with one track minds.

Yes one track that wishes to remember the hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed in the American revenge attacks

 

[ColinEssex]

Leave it to Colin to turn a thread remembering thousands of people who died into another shit spewing argument.

I was also remembering the thousands of people the USA killed for no reason in Iraq, Vietnam and maybe a dozen or so other wars the USA started for the sole reason it seems, it had nothing better to do.

Where I live in Colchester Essex UK, we did have an IRA bomb explode funded of course by the USA as did many cities in the UK. Yet Ted Kennedy is treated as an all-American good old boy.

Don´t accuse me of turning this thread around, you can´t just remember those who died on 11/9/2001, try looking beyond the USA borders Vass - there´s more to the world than the bloody USA.
Try looking at what destruction, chaos, misery, death, injury and disasters the USA has caused, purely to line it´s own pockets. When you have worked it out, then come back to me and say I´m shit spewing, and I´ll call you a hypocrit.

Just because a few thousand get killed in one hit in the USA, you think that´s terrible - ok, it is to a certain extent, and I along with everyone else couldn´t believe what I was seeing on the news live. But add up all the people the Americans have killed for no reason and it pales the twin towers deaths into an eggcup.

Col

 

[Vassago]

I was also remembering the thousands of people the USA killed for no reason in Iraq, Vietnam and maybe a dozen or so other wars the USA started for the sole reason it seems, it had nothing better to do.

Where I live in Colchester Essex UK, we did have an IRA bomb explode funded of course by the USA as did many cities in the UK. Yet Ted Kennedy is treated as an all-American good old boy.

Don´t accuse me of turning this thread around, you can´t just remember those who died on 11/9/2001, try looking beyond the USA borders Vass - there´s more to the world than the bloody USA.
Try looking at what destruction, chaos, misery, death, injury and disasters the USA has caused, purely to line it´s own pockets. When you have worked it out, then come back to me and say I´m shit spewing, and I´ll call you a hypocrit.

Just because a few thousand get killed in one hit in the USA, you think that´s terrible - ok, it is to a certain extent, and I along with everyone else couldn´t believe what I was seeing on the news live. But add up all the people the Americans have killed for no reason and it pales the twin towers deaths into an eggcup.

Col

I had originally typed a pretty long response to this, but decided I'd rather not keep this "discussion" going on this thread. You usually ignore the questions brought to you that you can't answer anyway.

 

[ColinEssex]

I had originally typed a pretty long response to this, but decided I'd rather not keep this "discussion" going on this thread. You usually ignore the questions brought to you that you can't answer anyway.

Yes, I had a little wager with myself that you´d cop out of answering. You´re not related to Bob are you?

You see, being as Americans are brainwashed by their "democratic" government and their TV is censored to only show the glorious USA, I doubt you would be able to comprehend what I´m talking about anyway.

That´s why USA people here think that Rich and I make things up - I only wish we did.

Col

 

[Adam Caramon]

Initially, I thought I would ignore this senseless comment.

You should have. In a discussion you grant at least a little bit of legitamacy to anyone you engage in direct talks with. If someone says something incredibly off the wall or inflammatory, they are usually doing it (as has been previously surmised) in order to get a reaction of some type.

By responding to that off the wall/inflammatory post you're making it out to be more important that it is. If you ignore it, and everyone ignores it, then its just 1 or 2 people yelling into a vaccuum and agreeing with each other.

It IS recognized as "Patriots Day" although I have no idea why they would call it that.

I think the rationale is that the people who lost their lives were immediately elevated to "Patroit" status as they died in the War On Terror.

 

[MSAccessRookie]

You should have. In a discussion you grant at least a little bit of legitamacy to anyone you engage in direct talks with. If someone says something incredibly off the wall or inflammatory, they are usually doing it (as has been previously surmised) in order to get a reaction of some type.

By responding to that off the wall/inflammatory post you're making it out to be more important that it is. If you ignore it, and everyone ignores it, then its just 1 or 2 people yelling into a vaccuum and agreeing with each other.



I think the rationale is that the people who lost their lives were immediately elevated to "Patroit" status as they died in the War On Terror.

I am not sure about anyone else's area, but in my town, "Patriots Day" celebrates all patriots, including Military, Police Fire and other Emergency Services Personnel who have died in the line of duty, as well as the innocents who have died. While the "War against Terror" may explain some of the patriots, it does not have to be the only reason.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I think the rationale is that the people who lost their lives were immediately elevated to "Patroit" status as they died in the War On Terror.

So you have to be killed to be a patriot, even if you were just sitting at a pc or having a coffee?

Mind you we has a WPC standing outside the Lybian embassy elevated to heroine status just because she was shot by some murdering bastard, an event conveniently forgotten by the s***heads governing these islands.

Brian

 

[ColinEssex]

Ok, here´s a serious question.

The spouses of the Trade Centre dead got $5million each in compensation. If another "patriot" is killed, say a fireman or police - do they get $5million? How about all the dead US soldiers spouses - $5million?

Is that the going rate for being a bereaved spouse?

Col

 

[Vassago]

Ok, here´s a serious question.

The spouses of the Trade Centre dead got $5million each in compensation. If another "patriot" is killed, say a fireman or police - do they get $5million? How about all the dead US soldiers spouses - $5million?

Is that the going rate for being a bereaved spouse?

Col

Can you cite a source for this "fact"? I couldn't find anything that stated they recieved $5 million each. I know for a fact my friends who had relatives die did not.

 

[Rich]

Can you cite a source for this "fact"? I couldn't find anything that stated they recieved $5 million each. I know for a fact my friends who had relatives die did not.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/18/national/main656434.shtml

any help?

 

[Adam Caramon]

So you have to be killed to be a patriot, even if you were just sitting at a pc or having a coffee?

If you're asking for the official policy, I do not know. If you're asking me for my opinion, I would say no. The word "Patriot" holds a lot of value in America, but like most other labels it is very subjective in its meaning and application.

 

[Vassago]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/18/national/main656434.shtml

any help?

It doesn't state anywhere in that article that EACH victim's spouse will receive $5 million. It does state the average payout is $2 million, but that's misleading. I'd much rather see what the median value is, I'm sure it's much lower than that.

I would think the higher values are going to large families with children, especially with disabilities, to support that previously would have been covered by the deceased party's insurance policies.. As I stated, my friends families didn't get nearly that amount, or I doubt they would be living where they live.

Anyway Col, since you seem to assume all Americans are ignorant to matters outside of the US, that makes you just as ignorant, and in fact a hypocrit. I certainly don't believe all Brits are as ignorant as you are of Americans.

 

[Kryst51]

It doesn't state anywhere in that article that EACH victim's spouse will receive $5 million. It does state the average payout is $2 million, but that's misleading. I'd much rather see what the median value is, I'm sure it's much lower than that.

I would think the higher values are going to large families with children, especially with disabilities, to support that previously would have been covered by the deceased party's insurance policies.. As I stated, my friends families didn't get nearly that amount, or I doubt they would be living where they live.

Anyway Col, since you seem to assume all Americans are ignorant to matters outside of the US, that makes you just as ignorant, and in fact a hypocrit. I certainly don't believe all Brits are as ignorant as you are of Americans.

Also the article talked about those who were injured during the rescue efforts and not only those who died, those with respiratory problems, etc...

 

[ColinEssex]

It doesn't state anywhere in that article that EACH victim's spouse will receive $5 million. It does state the average payout is $2 million, but that's misleading. I'd much rather see what the median value is, I'm sure it's much lower than that.

I would think the higher values are going to large families with children, especially with disabilities, to support that previously would have been covered by the deceased party's insurance policies.. As I stated, my friends families didn't get nearly that amount, or I doubt they would be living where they live.

Anyway Col, since you seem to assume all Americans are ignorant to matters outside of the US, that makes you just as ignorant, and in fact a hypocrit. I certainly don't believe all Brits are as ignorant as you are of Americans.

Nice one - that made me laugh.

Ever seen the film "Fahrenheit 9/11"? - If not I suggest you do, you may learn something, of course you´ll disbelieve it all as most Yankees do on this forum.

Col