Are you ALL awake?

[Isaac]

trying to stop your kids from smashing up Congress.
Col

I agree that smashing up congress is bad, but I just think that the smashing up of American cities just about daily for a year after Floyd was killed is 1000x worse. You probably didn't see that on the TV, but it happened just the same.

 

[Isaac]

Replace that discussion with the USA and the 1960s Civil Rights movement. In your point #3, replace the word "sex" with the word "skin." Now reconsider what you said.

Reconsidered, same result.

Forcing everyone to stand up and say that being gay has nothing to do with one's environment as a child, or forcing everyone to stand up and call a man a woman, or for that matter, forcing everyone to stand up and admire the Emperor's clothes.........not at all like disliking a race of people only because of their membership in that race. Not at all like segregation or committing crimes like assault and murder.

But let's play with it for a moment. If you have your way, based on your post, and everyone is physically forced to swear affirmation to transgenderism to the extent that they are trying to do now, then I suppose soon there will be job quotas, affirmative action, and TG's will be immune from criticism of any kind, like minorities are today.

Fast forward 50 years, and it won't be surprising at all when straight whites stage a movement of their own. Only that time, it will actually be based in reality - because after the sequence of events I have described, they actually will be an oppressed minority.

Do you see how trying to solve past discrimination with more new discrimination going in the reverse direction is not a viable solution? All it does is create a brief respite to salve the souls of the guilty, meanwhile creating new and ongoing vendettas.

People are already losing their jobs for refusing to stand up and declare that a man is a woman. Do you see why Christians see this as persecution?

More discrimination is never the right solution to past discrimination. Equality is.

 

[ColinEssex]

I agree that smashing up congress is bad, but I just think that the smashing up of American cities just about daily for a year after Floyd was killed is 1000x worse. You probably didn't see that on the TV, but it happened just the same.

We did see Floyd being held down by a policeman on the news at the time, then there were further updates of people holding demonstrations. But that's about it. Nothing new really, as we often see American police having killed blacks, to us in the UK, it's normal stuff in the USA. That's why we think everyone walks round like Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood) carrying a magnum .44. (I do know that's not true, but it's the impression Americans give)
Col

 

[Isaac]

We did see Floyd being held down by a policeman on the news at the time, then there were further updates of people holding demonstrations. But that's about it. Nothing new really, as we often see American police having killed blacks, to us in the UK, it's normal stuff in the USA. That's why we think everyone walks round like Dirty Harry (Clint Eastwood) carrying a magnum .44. (I do know that's not true, but it's the impression Americans give)
Col

You got the altered version then. It wasn't "demonstrations", it was rioting and burning (with dozens murdered and 1000's injured) in ~50 cities all across the USA for a straight year. Billions of dollars of damage was done, many innocents were killed and hurt, and in some cases (Seattle most famous), the "demonstrators" actually took physical/authority control of large sections of the entire city, the police and city government were unable to break it for the better part of a year.

So you got the one thing right- an American cop killed a black person - but the rest it sounds like you got the watered-down version that the liberal party here generally wanted people to have (which is a tiny slice of the truth).

Of course nobody riots or even complains, barely, of the fact that every day dozens of people are killed, with blacks represented in violent crime at double the proportional rate that whites are. I suppose if whites wanted to, we could start trampling around burning everything down in protest of that fact, but we don't..

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

Well done them there, We're In charge now!

#shorts #libsoftiktok

youtube.com

 

[MarkK]

Every Christian should object to this. You cannot make Christ disappear because you disapprove of Him but we are allowing it to happen. One name change at a time.

What does it matter that you are Christian, if rather than embody mercy, you call for genocide in Gaza? Like, what is the value of your Christianity if in the face of a crisis you are cruel and spiteful in your ideals?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Forcing everyone to stand up and say that being gay has nothing to do with one's environment as a child

Your other points in this sentence were not objectionable, but there is an implication here that I missed earlier. It is HIGHLY likely that being gay is not due to environment issues as a child. We have had this discussion in other threads so I'll merely say that there is hard scientific evidence that relates to homosexuality as being a condition of birth due to brain structure issues, and the brain structure is determined before birth. Therefore, "environment as a child" is not a high-probability cause.

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

More "Them, There" cockups

Running the World Can Be a Breeze!

#shorts #satire

youtube.com

 

[jpl458]

Did any of you know about this?

Do any of you know that they are trying to get rid of BC and AD because they are religious terms?

I used to think of workism as some sort of distorted sexual prevention. But no, they are coming for us all.

They want to take down everything we stand for!

Workism??? What is that. Redefining the start date of calendars has been around for years. It's part of the LGBTQ plot, which is a subset of the deep state.

 

[jpl458]

It is the history books that are changing. No one in everyday conversation talks about BC and AD. And we don't say 2023 AD. By convention, we only refer to dates prior to Christ by using BC. Whether you are a Christian or not, the western world recognizes His life as the demarcation point. Changing the names of the two periods, is the first step to erasing Him. Every Christian should object to this. You cannot make Christ disappear because you disapprove of Him but we are allowing it to happen. One name change at a time.

The rest of the world doesn't use our Calendar so just whom are we offending?

The trick is making him appear.

 

[Isaac]

What does it matter that you are Christian, if rather than embody mercy, you call for genocide in Gaza? Like, what is the value of your Christianity if in the face of a crisis you are cruel and spiteful in your ideals?

Who's doing that?

 

[Isaac]

Redefining the start date of calendars has been around for years

But doing so because of a hostility to Christ has picked up steam more recently. I think that was the point

 

[MarkK]

Who's doing that?

Pat stated in a different thread that Gaza should be "glassed." I asked if she was advocating genocide, she doubled down.

In this thread, Pat seems upset that the name of Christ is being erased by pop culture.

So I ask, what matters about Christianity? Does Christ give crap if his name is attached to year zero? Does Christ give a crap if his adherents call for genocide? Where does the actual value of Christianity occur?

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Where does the actual value of Christianity occur?

Before I answer this question, I will point out that you can ask the same question for EVERY religion, and the answer is always the same.

Where does the actual value of Christianity occur? In the minds of its followers.

Now, reframe the question to put other religions in place of Christianity and/or to consider those religions in modern or ancient times.

Any and all benefits start from the minds of the followers, whether those benefits are interpersonal behavior, donations, or charitable works.

Any and all detriments also start from the minds of the followers, whether those detriments are open hatred of non-conformants, persecution, attacks, or acts of genocide.

 

[Isaac]

Pat stated in a different thread that Gaza should be "glassed." I asked if she was advocating genocide, she doubled down.

In this thread, Pat seems upset that the name of Christ is being erased by pop culture.

So I ask, what matters about Christianity? Does Christ give crap if his name is attached to year zero? Does Christ give a crap if his adherents call for genocide? Where does the actual value of Christianity occur?

I see. Thanks for pointing out the glassed, which I hadn't read - I spend about 5 min on AWF per month these days. No comment on that, except human life should always be valued as much as it can in the balance and certainly, innocent civilians (if they really are innocent civilians, which we know they are less often than they appear), should be spared, on any and all 'sides'. Have no idea what Glassed means. Not really up on slang.

I am not sure if Christ gives a crap about the AC and BC thing. I would say yes, Christ gives a crap if his adherents call for genocide - but then are they adherents? Why blame Christ for something a Christian does? That's like saying AA doesn't work because an AA member decides to go drink.

As to the value of Christianity, I'm not sure where you live or are knowledgeable about, but where I live (and where my relatives live), Christian organizations execute about 90% of all helpful charity in the area - homeless help, family help, domestic abuse survivors, orphanages, you name it, they're doing it. I suppose there's some value, at least in the eyes of the recipients who are then less hungry, exposed, confused, and lacking.

 

[MarkK]

Where does the actual value of Christianity occur? In the minds of its followers.

Then it does not matter if Christ's name is attached to year zero.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

Have no idea what Glassed means. Not really up on slang.

Just for your edification and with no intent of actually recommending this option, "glassed" in that context is a reference to what the desert looked like underneath the Trinity site in New Mexico where the first atom bomb was exploded. It is a specific reference to melting the desert via nuclear fire and with the implication of "and reducing everything living there at the time to inorganic ash."

Having studied nuclear chemistry and nuclear reactions in college, and having reviewed detailed videos of the aftermath of the two bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I can never recommend that option. Never. All-out conventional warfare? Possibly. Nuclear warfare? Never. Nuclear war would lead to all four of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse being loose in the area. War, famine, pestilence, disease. Four for the price of one.

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

Nuclear war would lead to all four of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse

The problem is you've got some very strange characters in the current US government. It strikes me that there is a distinctive possibility that they 1, don't realize the implications of nuclear war, and 2, possibly relish the idea of destroying the whole world.

 

[The_Doc_Man]

The problem is you've got some very strange characters in the current US government. It strikes me that there is a distinctive possibility that they 1, don't realize the implications of nuclear war, and 2, possibly relish the idea of destroying the whole world.

Sadly, you might be right. This is going to sound a bit odd, but it might be useful to make every one of those persons play the game Fallout 3 using VR goggles. I love the game but there are moments when it is SO depressing that I have to step away. The images of devastation - and the implications of mutation caused by the radiation - are impactful.

 

[Uncle Gizmo]

I would just add to the thread that I hope that you all consider us colleagues, all of us together as the nature of us is programmers, programming in a common language.

I don't want to sound wishy washy, manby Palmy, wokey blokey. I am foremost a programmer, somebody who stays up to 3am working on code, like I suspect we all do from time to time. I suspect I might be slightly autistically orientated, again a trate I would ascribe to most programmers.

What I'm saying is, don't let the divisional dividing politics bugger up our common working relationship, a relationship we all share.

For example, there are some people here who I would have banned for their troll like behavior. It was Jon the forum owner that Showed me that continued dialogue with these people, people who were, (and some still are) no better than trolls. Continued dialogue allowed us to eventually arrive at amicable interaction with these people.

Instead of seeing someone as:- Muslim, Christian, (enter any religion here)... Republican democrat, labour liberal conservative, Australian American Irish British, accept them as a colleague, if not a colleague, at least, as someone who shares the same trials and tribulations that you do. After all we have a common ground.