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Unlike Trump there is actual evidence that foreign actors have many videos of hunter. I have seen some of the Hunter material and I wouldn't feel good if I were a Democrat. This is how they get access to the president, but sadly this will not be covered by CNN therefore it doesn't exist.
 

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They can say whatever they want and they do. I'm sure that someone somewhere has hard evidence that the Trump campaign "colluded" with the Russians. I'm not going to hold my breath. The Chinese have succeeded. No one believes anything any more. You can't trust the FBI, you can't trust the CIA, you can't trust the DOJ, you can't trust the Joint Chiefs, and it gets worse from there.

No one has fact checked the Michigan Secretary of State either because we don't fact check people we want to believe. If they wanted the truth to get out, they would have allowed the Trump campaign to verify their statement but they didn't . Just shut up and do what we say.

If the "fact checkers" don't report CNBC, CNN, The NY Times, etc as showing extreme bias, that is because the "fact checkers" themselves are biased. I have never read a single story in the NY Times in four years that mentioned Trump in a positive way. THAT, my friend is bias.
 

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Have you ever fact checked Trump? His nose should be able to pick up signals from Betelgeuse.
 

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This is the evil cancel culture at work:


Since when do we suspend WITHOUT pay a whistle blower?
Since when do we prevent him from receiving donations?
 

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Look what happened to Snowden. It's a travesty when someone is punished for outing crimes against the people by our own government. He certainly shouldn't be in trouble unless/until they can prove he lied.
 

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Have you ever fact checked Trump? His nose should be able to pick up signals from Betelgeuse.
I would except there is nowhere to fact check him. There are no honest fact checkers. They all think the WaPO and NYT are moderate and fair.

Trump is not a politician. He hasn't spent hours every day for years in front of a mirror practicing the answers to questions his handlers tell him to expect. So, when he opens his mouth, you get a stream of consciousness as he tries to give an honest answer. Because of his speaking style, he is very easy to take out of context. Sometimes it takes him a few sentences to center himself on the meat of the question. He is an optimist and he looks at the glass as half full rather than half empty so he is always toing to take a more positive view than a negative nelly would. Someday, you'll see the actual COVID numbers and see them in context of other diseases which don't cause churches to be closed. Churches are very dangerous places. Just go to the casino instead. It's safe there. Or may be the liquor store or the pot store. They are ESSENTIAL to society. Currently, FB, Twitter and Google are doing their best to squash any experts who disagree with the left's agenda. Trump looks at a crowd and sees a million people. So, he's bad at estimating crowds. Why is that a lie? "You can keep your doctor" - now that's a lie. It was a deliberate and conscious misstatement (since Obama knew it to be a lie when he said it) designed to stop the public from pressuring their representatives to vote against Obamacare. Tell me how you feel about that or is it OK with you that our previous president lied to you about something important that would actually affect your life? Then tell me any "lie" Trump has told that would personally injure you if you believed it.

He's gotten better in the past four years but he's been busy trying to accomplish his campaign promises so he by no means as polished as Biden who has been lying to us for 47 years and breaking promise after promise after promise. If he had kept any of those old promises, he wouldn't have to be promising them again for the umpteenth time. Trump is the only president I've ever voted for who actually tried to do what he promised during the election. Personally, I think he is too naïve. He had no idea just how deep the deep state went and they blind-sided him. He never expected the entire Federal government to close ranks and obstruct everything he tried to do. He never expected the FBI to spy on him. If he had, he would have fired all the department heads when he took office. Let the departments flounder until he could replace the management. That was pure naivety. Having no management would have been far better in the long run than people like Comey and Struck who were actively working against him. He never expected every Democrat member of Congress who could get to a mic to tell outright lies about him with impunity and several of the Republicans also. I think he would have done a lot better if he hadn't talked about draining the swamp at all. That just made the Republicans close ranks because they're as scummy as the Democrats and they sure didn't want their own golden goose to be shut off.

You also have to keep in mind that most questions presented to Trump by the media start with a negative premise. It gets very difficult when every question goes something like " Well, now that you've stopped beating your wife, why are you so nice to Putin"?

Why do you actually care what other people's opinions of Trump are? Do you listen to what he says? I know it's hard because he does ramble. I don't ever listen to his rallies. But rather than always assuming something negative and nefarious, maybe you should give him the benefit of the doubt some time. He's done a lot of very good things for this country, none of which he's gotten credit for.
 

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Look what happened to Snowden. It's a travesty when someone is punished for outing crimes against the people by our own government. He certainly shouldn't be in trouble unless/until they can prove he lied.
Can we at least blame Snowden's persecution on Obama? You are going to see the return of McCarthyism if Biden prevails in this vote counting. Members of the House are already talking about reeducation and canceling anyone who helped Trump in any way. That'll sure bring the country together.

I guess whistleblowers are only sacrosanct if they have something negative to say about a Republican. Hypocrisy reigns!
 

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The funniest part of that story besides it being O'keefe and project veritas is that only 2 ballots were processed through that post office on 11/3.

“Not only did the Erie Times-News review find that only two late-arriving ballots processed at the Erie postal facility have a Nov. 3 postmark,” the story said, “but it also found that nine late ballots processed in Erie were postmarked Nov. 4 or later.”
 

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Can we at least blame Snowden's persecution on Obama? You are going to see the return of McCarthyism if Biden prevails in this vote counting. Members of the House are already talking about reeducation and canceling anyone who helped Trump in any way. That'll sure bring the country together.

I guess whistleblowers are only sacrosanct if they have something negative to say about a Republican. Hypocrisy reigns!
I'm exhausted with explaining I'm not a f@$king Democrat. It was definitely the Obama administration that was to blame, but I don't see anyone from either crooked party clearing his name.
 

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Pat can you find any other sources about the postal worker being placed on leave other than Rev. Moons paper? Everything I find on it points back to them. They are rated as not so good on facts.
 

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Then tell me any "lie" Trump has told that would personally injure you if you believed it.
"It's a hoax"
"It will magically disappear"
"It's just a flu"
“Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”
"The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.”
The pandemic is “getting under control.”
“We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.”
Children are “virtually immune” to COVID-19.
The U.S. has “among the lowest case-fatality rates of any major country anywhere in the world.”
America is “rounding the corner” and “rounding the final turn” of the pandemic.
“You get better and then you’re immune.”
The Trump White House “inherited” a “broken,” “bad,” and “obsolete” test for the coronavirus.
“Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country.”

you can get the rest yourself here ... https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/11/trumps-lies-about-coronavirus/608647/
 

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I found this one.


Most of the articles were all about him recanting and some were about him being paid by the GOP to tell his story to begin with. Where do these people get their "facts"? Why are they so quick to jump on rumors that seem to favor their positions? Why doesn't FB, Twitter, etc mark these reports as "fake news"???? You KNOW why. It doesn't fit the narrative. Hypocrisy reigns!
 

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The nypost article only states it w/o attribution so i'd take it with a grain of salt.
He was being interviewed by the IG at work so its a little confusing that he was in fact suspended.

I just listened to the 2 hour recording of the guy getting questioned (which he did illegally btw)
It was by the book. The guy said he only heard a few words and made assumptions. He did not specifically hear them say anything about backdating ballots. His affadavit with project veritas was written by them.
This is a lot of nothing.
 

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You are so innocently trusting of your "fact checkers".

#1. Trump NEVER called the virus a hoax. That is a mis-quote Get your facts correct. And once you actually search out the video this "quote" comes from, maybe some of the other OPINIONS of your "fact checkers" are flawed also.

If you look at the statistics, you will see that COVID is really, really, really bad for old and/or sick people but most other people have only mild illness and recover quickly. Every death is a tragedy but the number of children who have died from this disease is so insignificant as to be a rounding error. Children in Europe have been back at school as normal since April. The rational solution was to protect the vulnerable as they did in Florida and let everyone else live normally.
https://www.heritage.org/data-visualizations/public-health/covid-19-deaths-by-age/ -- look at both charts.

Here's another one. notice the flat line across the bottom. Notice the greatly growing cases line. This is giving us a more accurate picture of the true death rate for COVID but it is still not accurate because estimates are that three times as many people have been infected as have been tested. The annual death rate for seasonal flus is typically .1 - .2 %. Currently we have 10.9 million confirmed (by testing) COVID cases and 245,600 (Nov, 15th). That gives us .225% which is a little higher than a bad flu season. The difference with COVID is that it is very, very dangerous for the old and ill and not so much for the young and healthy. The actual IFR will ultimately be even lower because we are using confirmed cases as the divisor rather than the ACTUAL number of infected people which is likely three times as high and that divides the .225 by 3 which makes it a lower death rate than the seasonal flu.
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Look how many children died of flu this season compared to COVID.
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This one tells it all. Dr Fauci with his prognostications that sent the country into a tizzy but again proved to be very wrong. No one ever talks about it. Pay attention to the definition of CFR vs IFR.


#2. The CDC told hospitals and coroners to log any death as covid if covid "might" have been involved. No test required That means that the death rate is way over stated and includes many seasonal flu deaths because the symptoms are similar Some states have actually backed off on this and started changing their counts accordingly. From the first link below is the instruction in question
COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.

#3. Counts of infections will obviously go up as testing goes up. That is actually making the death rate go down.
 

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Sorry he said it was a democrat hoax.

funny how easily some of your sources are debunked

https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...ax-doctor-covid-19-death-certificates-984407/

One video that has been circulating on social media features a Montana physician named Dr. Annie Bukacek questioning the number of COVID-19 deaths in the United States (more than 26,000, as of Wednesday, April 15th).

Brandishing a stethoscope and white lab coat, she argues that the CDC is encouraging medical examiners to erroneously report COVID-19 as a cause of death in many cases, arguing that the actual cause of death in many cases may have been an underlying health condition. “Testing positive for COVID-19 does not mean a person is sick with it or, if the person died, that they died from it,” Bukacek says before concluding with a grand flourish, “based on inaccurate, incomplete data, people are being terrorized by fearmongers into relinquishing … freedoms.”
The video has been reposted on numerous far-right websites, including Zero Hedge and InfoWars. The channel posting this video, which has garnered nearly 800,000 views, is not a purveyor of legitimate medical or scientific information — it’s a religious organization, specifically the Liberty Fellowship, which describes itself as a “non-501(c)3 fellowship of patriot believers” and is run by Chuck Baldwin, a far-right extremist and former presidential candidate for the antigovernment, anti-LGBTQ Constitution Party.

According to Rachel Carroll Rivas, the co-director of the Montana Human Rights Network, the Liberty Fellowship has been regularly congregating at a hotel in direct opposition to Gov. Steve Bullock’s stay-at-home directive, and has been rallying against the government lockdown. (Another video, posted three weeks ago, describes COVID-19 in the title as “a pretext for civil tyranny.”)

Dr. Annie Bukacek is not an unfamiliar figure in the far right. The head of the Montana Pro-Life Coalition, Bukacek is well-known for bringing tiny plastic fetuses to the state legislature; in 2009, she was under investigation for Medicaid fraud following complaints that she had submitted reimbursements for time spent praying with patients. (Bukacek did not return a request for comment.)
Sorry you feel dead kids are a rounding error.

The rational solution was to protect the vulnerable as they did in Florida and let everyone else live normally.
You mean florida which is 3rd in the country with nearly a million cases, over 17000 deaths and they dont count the snowbirds,

Our schools are going all virtual again because the kids are getting sick.
 

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Sorry you feel dead kids are a rounding error.
Typical leftist taking my remark out of context. How convent of you to completely ignore the entire thought and just zoom into the most negative thing you can find. And this is not the first time you have done it to me or the others. I'm beginning to think it is done on purpose. I am very disappointed in you. I really thought you were better than that.

Maybe you don't know this but Florida is the third most populous state. It also has more than its share of the elderly who we all know are significantly more vulnerable to COVID than younger people. It had the 4th most covid deaths. Fewer than NYC by the way.

I did post the actual directive from the CDC telling doctors how to fill in death certificates which contradicts previous guidance but I guess you didn't read that. Even assuming the death count is correct (which it is not), the CDC can't make COVOD as scary as Fauci and the rest of the media present it. You can spend your life curled in a ball in the corner cowering because COVID is going to come and get you if you choose but some of us believe in the Constitution and are tired of the government overreach destroying the lives of millions of Americans. Some of us can look at the numbers and draw our OWN conclusions since clearly the talking heads are all reading from some Democrat script and Silicon Valley is doing a bang up job of suppressing free speech so you would never hear anyone arguing a different path on the lame stream media or anything that Google, FB, and Twitter can control.
 
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"It's a hoax" Referring to the media's sensationalist nature of coverage being calculated to negatively impact him, which proved 100% true.
"It will magically disappear" It will.
"It's just a flu" It is.
“Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.” They were.
"The pandemic is “fading away. It’s going to fade away.” It will.
The pandemic is “getting under control.” A lot of things improved, a lot of things worsened, and time dependent. Subjective.
“We now have the lowest Fatality (Mortality) Rate in the World.” Was this an incorrect statement as of every possible date he might have been referring to?
Children are “virtually immune” to COVID-19. True.
The U.S. has “among the lowest case-fatality rates of any major country anywhere in the world.” I have no idea on this one.
America is “rounding the corner” and “rounding the final turn” of the pandemic. We are. Meaning, we almost have a vaccine, it's coming to a close. No matter how bad it's getting, it's still coming to a close.
“You get better and then you’re immune.” That's subjective, but there are antibodies that make it much less likely you will get it again, or get it as bad.
The Trump White House “inherited” a “broken,” “bad,” and “obsolete” test for the coronavirus. Where did he say this?
“Cases are going up in the U.S. because we are testing far more than any other country.” That was actually true for a while.
 

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He said most of it months ago

May 11th (1.3 million cases at the time)" Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down."

June 30th(2.7 million cases) "The pandemic is “getting under control.”

March - The Trump White House “inherited” a “broken,” “bad,” and “obsolete” test for the coronavirus. (for a virus that didn't exist)

I'm too tired to do the rest.
 

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