Getting Rid of the Electoral College Blight (1 Viewer)

Trump was and continues to be a victim of aggressive Democratic instigated lawfare. That (Trump) money may be well spent compared to how frivolously Harris spent her campaign money. The Harris worshipers gave Harris approximately $1 Billion dollars to win an election. Evidently that campaign money just evaporated. The donors just lost all that money in a failed election.

So what happened to this money? Was this an example of typical Democratic financial corruption? There have been accusations that it was not used for legitimate campaigning expenses but to pad the wallets of cronies and celebrities.


Cause it's all about the evil Democrats. Harris worshipers? Man you are one seriously funny guy.
 
Wow. Talk about prescient. Who knew the founders could foresee the ascendency of a "Conservative" movement 250 years into the future. I guess they weren't just stupid old men who owned slaves.
Things evolve. The founders were mostly extremely liberal, so I'm guessing no they didn’t.
 
No, his point is made perfectly well based on the concept of locations with sparser versus denser populations - something very much a characteristic of the modern day. You're just not seeing the point. Has nothing to do with riding horses
The riding horses part was do to rhe condition of excessive difficulty in having direct people involvement. So they created a representivie arangement . They did the best they could given the circumstances.
The conditions have change and conservatives use the EC as a tool to buck the system. Y'alls answer is no one but conservatives can understand it. As usual, with brainwashed groups.
They would never have created that system had their comms been the same as ours. Surely you can concede that lack of technologies played a large part.
 
Things evolve. The founders were mostly extremely liberal, so I'm guessing no they didn’t.
But you keep insisting that the EC favors Conservatives. That is why we are having this discussion. How could it favor conservatives if conservatives didn't even exist when the EC was created? Don't you even see a small crack in your "logic"?
They would never have created that system had their comms been the same as ours. Surely you can concede that lack of technologies played a large part.
The lack of technology had nothing whatsoever to do with the creation of the EC. It was all about protection from the tyranny of the majority AND the problem of the slaves inflating the population of the southern states. Slaves couldn't vote so therefore, they could not be counted fully in the calculation of representation in Congress or they would give the slave states so much power that slavery would never be abolished. That is why they were assigned the value of 3/5. Their presence gave the southern states more representation in Congress than they would otherwise have had but not so much as to keep the northern states from refusing to sign the Constitution. Too bad the founders didn't anticipate illegal aliens or there would have been a provision for not counting 100% of any non-citizen. Please tell me you see the problem with states like California inflating their House seats by importing people even though they can't vote. Although, it looks like the inflation caused by the illegals has been offset by those who can afford to move getting away from the poor policies they voted for.
 
Four more years of victimhood and grievance.
As I have been telling my Dem buddies. It's time to learn how to counter the big lies told by Trump and his band of merry worshipers. As these last weeks on this thread show, The hard core right will never concede a single fact, and they will use small sample data to "prove" they have a monopoly on the "Truth".
If I remember correctly, Doc actually made two concessions, (y'all should probably disown him) the only two in the entire thread.
1. He believes the EPA serves a worthy purpose.
2. Possibly man made emissions play some (limited) roll in Global Warming.

So the only way to put a check on this egregious assault on our freedoms, and the barrage of insane Trump lies, is get better at delivering their own message.

I know you don't think I see myself as a victim, in fact, most of my income is derived from a Conservative client base. These last four years of their paranoid MAGA induced victimhood has made them timid and reluctant to invest. They'll be seeking us out now. So hurray for that.

That is, at least until the new tariff policies cripple the global economy. He'll find a way to blame Obama for that as well. But he will take credit for all the Chip Foundries being built, because, of course, only he himself could make that happen.
 
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Surely you can concede that lack of technologies played a large part.

No, I cannot concede "large part" to technology. The "tyranny of the majority" was part of the discussions in framing the Constitution. THAT was a large part. The EC, back then, was simply delegates gathering together to "do their thing" by representing the voters who made them delegates to the EC. The only technology was that they allowed enough time for everyone to be in the same room when the crucial vote was taken.
 
The hard core right will never concede a single fact

At least some of your arguments are NOT fact but opinion. We can tell the difference. It would appear that you can't.

If I remember correctly Doc actually made two concessions, (y'all should probably disown him) the only two in the entire thread.
1. He believes the EPA serves a worthy purpose.
2. Possibly man made emissions play some (limited) roll in Global Warming.

The EPA is not all bad. We do have a pollution issue that needs addressing. Don't forget I'm also a chemist. I still have a problem with the EPA as implemented, because of excessive regulations that drive up costs with limited benefit and minimal disruption of the environment. And yet they IGNORE things that are absolutely toxic.

As to man-made emissions, I have no doubt they contribute some small amount to atmospheric changes - if by no other mechanism, then through the "butterfly effect." But the two biggest bug-a-boos aren't exclusively man-made. CO2 and methane are both created by many pathways including life and some natural chemical processes. (PhD chemist, remember? DON'T dispute me on that point. You'll just embarrass yourself.)

Not only that, but "Global Warming" is an obsolete term already discredited by the fact that during a supposed global warming period, things got cooler. One of the biggest proponents of Global Warming, Dr. Mann, showed us the "hockey stick" graph by synthesizing data from an alternate source to project the trend he wanted to show us. But since that time, he has lost the data. Maybe the most important climatology data of the modern era and he LOST it, so cannot reproduce or further test his predictions. He is so careless that he LOST the data that made him famous. I'm sorry but as a trained researcher, I cannot accept that level of carelessness unless I assume that his failings spread into other parts of his work, too. Which makes me ask if maybe he knew that his work wouldn't stand up to scrutiny once a few years passed and we could start making comparisons.

You have never answered the question of "what is the correct temperature of the Earth?" Hate to break it to you, but given our planet's exit from an Ice Age, we are going to get warmer - and would get warmer even if Man and his noxious emissions didn't exist. (Hmmm.... if the temperature goes up but nobody is there to take the measurement, did it really get TOO hot?)
 
It's time to learn how to counter the big lies told by Trump
Name some. As soon as you clarify how the authors of the Constitution could have created the EC to favor conservatives who didn't even exist when they wrote the document.
 
Name some. As soon as you clarify how the authors of the Constitution could have created the EC to favor conservatives who didn't even exist when they wrote the document.
I never said they wrote it to favor conservatives.
 
At least some of your arguments are NOT fact but opinion. We can tell the difference. It would appear that you can't.



The EPA is not all bad. We do have a pollution issue that needs addressing. Don't forget I'm also a chemist. I still have a problem with the EPA as implemented, because of excessive regulations that drive up costs with limited benefit and minimal disruption of the environment. And yet they IGNORE things that are absolutely toxic.

As to man-made emissions, I have no doubt they contribute some small amount to atmospheric changes - if by no other mechanism, then through the "butterfly effect." But the two biggest bug-a-boos aren't exclusively man-made. CO2 and methane are both created by many pathways including life and some natural chemical processes. (PhD chemist, remember? DON'T dispute me on that point. You'll just embarrass yourself.)

Not only that, but "Global Warming" is an obsolete term already discredited by the fact that during a supposed global warming period, things got cooler. One of the biggest proponents of Global Warming, Dr. Mann, showed us the "hockey stick" graph by synthesizing data from an alternate source to project the trend he wanted to show us. But since that time, he has lost the data. Maybe the most important climatology data of the modern era and he LOST it, so cannot reproduce or further test his predictions. He is so careless that he LOST the data that made him famous. I'm sorry but as a trained researcher, I cannot accept that level of carelessness unless I assume that his failings spread into other parts of his work, too. Which makes me ask if maybe he knew that his work wouldn't stand up to scrutiny once a few years passed and we could start making comparisons.

You have never answered the question of "what is the correct temperature of the Earth?" Hate to break it to you, but given our planet's exit from an Ice Age, we are going to get warmer - and would get warmer even if Man and his noxious emissions didn't exist. (Hmmm.... if the temperature goes up but nobody is there to take the measurement, did it really get TOO hot?)
There were a lot of PhD chemist around when i wrote the ERP system for their little plant. They were delighted I solved problems they had been pondering for over a decade.
 
There were a lot of PhD chemist around when i wrote the ERP system for their little plant.

I am not any of them. Odds are they don't know me. It amounts to nothing to say you knew some PhD chemists. So did I.
 
I never said they wrote it to favor conservatives.
So, "the EC favors conservatives" is just a happy side effect? This is a typical sour grapes statement. You make a blanket statement that is designed to sound like the outcome was pre-ordained so you can point out how unfair it is when no such thing was even possible. You can grouse all you want. If the EC had accidentally favored liberals, you would be totally in favor of it. Conservatives can't help it if they are independent free thinkers and prefer the wide open spaces of fly-over country and the liberals prefer the echo chamber of congested spaces because they are such snowflakes they need constant reinforcement of their more insane beliefs like kill the babies during childbirth but save the death row inmates at all costs.

Just FYI, the EC is intended to ensure that the President has the widest base possible from all around the country so that the large population centers don't always choose the President.
 
So, "the EC favors conservatives" is just a happy side effect? This is a typical sour grapes statement. You make a blanket statement that is designed to sound like the outcome was pre-ordained so you can point out how unfair it is when no such thing was even possible. You can grouse all you want. If the EC had accidentally favored liberals, you would be totally in favor of it. Conservatives can't help it if they are independent free thinkers and prefer the wide open spaces of fly-over country and the liberals prefer the echo chamber of congested spaces because they are such snowflakes they need constant reinforcement of their more insane beliefs like kill the babies during childbirth but save the death row inmates at all costs.

Just FYI, the EC is intended to ensure that the President has the widest base possible from all around the country so that the large population centers don't always choose the President.
LOL sour grapes? You are projecting. I really did not care if Harris won, as much as, I just wanted the Popular vote to agree with the EC. Or rather, the other way around.

I'm not a fanatic. I leave that to you

Sour grapes? You better hope that whole tariff thing works out, sour grapes will be the last thing you'll be projecting.


The EC is having the opposite effect, it's giving too much control over national issue to a small number of people. Not in this election though.

In a race to the bottom. the Dems lost this one far and square. They have no one to blame.
 
I am not any of them. Odds are they don't know me. It amounts to nothing to say you knew some PhD chemists. So did I.
I meant that I was able to figure out things that had eluded them. I'm better at seeing patterns than most people, and years of education won't fix that for those people. You knew what I meant.
 
True, but the delusion is that Biden hurt the ecomony, Inflation started in Trump's time. And, he was publicly asking the Fed to lower rates. As far as rights, are concerned, moving the court has already limited our rights. We have moved irrationally towards a theocracy, and the power and wealth redistribution is about to get even worse. Wait till that tariff thing kicks in.
The big lie that conservatives tell is still, Trickle Down Ecomonics, and that our health care system is the best.
 

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