Has America Imploded?

[Jon]

Is breaking into the U.S. Capitol by force with a violent mob dependent on the color of your skin? Or are you claiming she was an innocent bystander who just was accidentally confronted by the cops on her daily routine?

You missed my point. White people do not get protests when they are shot by police. Take George Floyd in Minneapolis, where there was outrage worldwide over this incident. However, what you probably didn't know was that an unarmed white woman (Justine Damond) was shot dead by a black police officer 3 years earlier, after calling them for help. Where were the protests then? It is a double standard.

Killing of Justine Damond - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So it appears that skin colour does matter when it comes to the selective outrage.

Or are you claiming she was an innocent bystander who just was accidentally confronted by the cops on her daily routine?

Are you claiming George Floyd was an innocent bystander who was just accidentally confronted by the cops on his daily routine?

 

[Jon]

Pat I respect you but you need to find better sources of information. The number is in the hundreds.

More than 250 people have been charged in the Capitol insurrection so far

If you look at the list in your source, over 60 of those arrested are curfew violations. Is a curfew violation where they had a previous criminal convinction and were restricted from being out and about? i.e. tagged criminals?

 

[Jon]

@zeroaccess As a side note, I just want to say I am pleased you are participating in the politics section. It is far too Republican and a bit of balance is good. If anybody likes the fact that @zeroaccess is posting in here, please like this post for your vote.

 

[Steve R.]

More than 250 people have been charged in the Capitol insurrection so far

There was no insurrection. It was, to paraphrase what the left likes to say "A mostly peaceful rally". Furthermore, consider Cuomo's remark: "Please, show me where it says protesters are supposed to be polite and peaceful."

For this to have been an "insurrection" you would at least need one guy surrounded by armed thugs with a bullhorn proclaiming the Capital building to be "liberated" territory and that the public rise-up in rebellion. None of that occurred. If you want to whimsically toss-out the concept of "insurrection" look to Seattle were portions of downtown were occupied and normal business/living/law enforcement was shut-down. Instead of calling that an "insurrection" the Mayor of Seattle (Jenny Durkan) initially supported that illegal behavior even implying: “We could have the summer of love." This demonstrates how ludicrous Democratic logic/language is.

To borrow from Cuomo again. Cuomo, to defend left wing violence stated: "Too many see the protests as the problem," he said. "No, the problem is what forced your fellow citizens to take the streets. Persistent and poisonous inequities and injustice". Well, if we take Cuomo's words at face value, the actions of the right wing rioters at the Capital building were justifiable as they were protesting: "Persistent and poisonous inequities and injustice". Look at how social media and printed news maliciously suppressed conservative narratives under the false claims of "disinformation", "hate speech", and "fake news". So if the left finds the rioting, looting, and property destruction of leftists is condonable, they have no "moral authority" to condemn similar activities carried-out by those on the right.

 

[Pat Hartman]

Pat I respect you but you need to find better sources of information. The number is in the hundreds.

What was the date of the post you are referring to? I can't find it. I'm pretty sure it was weeks ago.

PS, there was NO insurrection no matter how frequently the lame-stream media uses the term. There was no occupation. There was no siege. Those are all purple words used to exaggerate the actual event. I am not justifying the break-in. I am trying to put it in context. A small number of people broke windows and doors to gain entry and others did damage and stole things once inside. The rest of the people were merely tourists as you can tell by the videos of them taking selfies and trying out the chairs. It was more like a Goldie Locks moment Going inside was stupid and they got arrested for it and deserved to. The people who broke in and trashed things once inside deserve to be punished. But how about BLM and Antifa? Why do they get a pass? Why was the VP donating money to bail them out and encouraging them to continue rioting?

In an insurrection, you would expect the insurrectionists to be armed, wouldn't you? How many of the intruders were charged with carrying a weapon? I'm not sure but not many. How many shots were fired? ONE. The shot was fired by a Capitol police officer and intended to kill and it did. Did the "occupiers" block the doors so the authorities couldn't gain entry? No. The reporting is all hyperbole. Compare the reporting of this with the reporting on CHAZ where the rioters actually did occupy blocks of downtown Seattle preventing tax-paying citizens from the freedom of their homes and keeping shops and businesses closed for weeks. How about those mostly peaceful "demonstrations" with people running around and fires burning in the background?

 

[Isaac]

I agree with and emphasize Jon's points about selective outrage. Those of us who are pointing that out are not saying there shouldn't be any outrage. We are troubled that it is almost always selective, based on what fits the current narrative being pushed by the left. We feel that is as r@cist as anything else is.

 

[zeroaccess]

You missed my point. White people do not get protests when they are shot by police. Take George Floyd in Minneapolis, where there was outrage worldwide over this incident. However, what you probably didn't know was that an unarmed white woman (Justine Damond) was shot dead by a black police officer 3 years earlier, after calling them for help. Where were the protests then? It is a double standard.

Killing of Justine Damond - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So it appears that skin colour does matter when it comes to the selective outrage.


Are you claiming George Floyd was an innocent bystander who was just accidentally confronted by the cops on his daily routine?

It's too bad that happened to her. However there is not a systemic problem as there is with people of color. Study after study shows that you are much more likely to end up in this place if you are black. Even if unarmed and not dangerous. So look at the issue more like a meta analysis rather than a single anecdote.

 

[Isaac]

It's too bad that happened to her. However there is not a systemic problem as there is with people of color. Study after study shows that you are much more likely to end up in this place if you are black. Even if unarmed and not dangerous. So look at the issue more like a meta analysis rather than a single anecdote.

How does that study take into account the behavior of the person being arrested or detained?

Answer: It doesn't.

 

[Jon]

This made me chuckle, just for the headslaps.

 

[AccessBlaster]

The first thing he does is forget her name within 2 seconds. Then keeps calling her honey and baby, are those right pronouns? Uncle Joe will always get a pass.

 

[Jon]

I did feel uncomfortable when he called her honey. Is that appropriate for someone else's young child?

 

[Isaac]

well let's be honest, we all saw the video collage

 

[AccessBlaster]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1361865477715341318

 

[Pat Hartman]

Study after study shows that you are much more likely to end up in this place if you are black.

As Goebbels taught, repetition is everything. You hear this over and over and over and over again and yet, where are the studies? Look at the stats yourself. See if you come to the same conclusion.

There is a problem with our criminal justice system and that problem is class rather than color. The reason that more black men end up incarcerated for certain crimes is because they end up with public defenders who always want them to take a plea rather than private lawyers who are willing to actually defend them.

 

[Steve R.]

Just to add some additional context.

It's too bad that happened to her. However there is not a systemic problem as there is with people of color. Study after study shows that you are much more likely to end up in this place if you are black. Even if unarmed and not dangerous. So look at the issue more like a meta analysis rather than a single anecdote.

@Issac: Already beat me to this response, on this thread.

How does that study take into account the behavior of the person being arrested or detained?

Answer: It doesn't.

Going a step further. This is an unintended consequence of the Johnson's "Great Society" which "destroyed" the Black family. Blacks are growing up in "broken" families. This is an example of a program that was inspired by liberals that failed. Unfortunately, a great number of liberals refuse to believe that programs designed to help those in need could actually backfire. It is simply incomprehensible. Consequently, the only narrative allowed must be some external factor is the cause since it can't be our fault. Presto, the birth of systemic institutional racism (to prevent a logical mental meltdown). How else can you possibly explain it? After all it is not our fault. But yes it is, your fault by "destroying" the Black family. Anyone questioning the mantra of Blacks not being victims of systemic instituitonal racism is designated as a bigoted racist with their viewpoints and research suppressed. The reality remains that the behavior of Blacks must also be considered as a cause for why they have been arrested/detained. A tough reality.

 

[Pat Hartman]

The number of people killed by an officer during a "stop" is very small. The number killed who are not armed is smaller still. The number killed who were not armed and not resisting arrest when they were killed becomes miniscule. Statistically it is a rounding error, not that any unnecessary death should be dismissed as a rounding error but the response needs to be rational and it is not. The problem is that we don't care even a little bit if the victim is white and the officer is black or even if the victim is black and the officer is black which it often is in metro areas. That can't possibly be racist because blacks cannot be racist. Racism is ONLY whites abusing blacks. Which is how we get to where we are today with segregation being proposed and whites being told they are racists because they are white and being forced to attend indoctrination sessions???

 

[Isaac]

Exactly! It's like comparing 9 to 13 and then saying we have a nationwide epidemic problem. Who the he!! actually believes this crap..

 

[Pat Hartman]

Sadly, way too many people. If the media says something frequently enough and with enough feeling and outrage, eventually people think it must be real. "everybody" is saying the same thing. No one ever bothers to even question the assertions. This is how confirmation bias works and big tech and the left rely on bubis Americana not bothering to do their own research. I looked at the statistics which is how I know the number of deaths is a rounding error. How about something in the neighborhood of .0000198 based on some figures from a few years ago and the actual number of deaths is decreasing.

Why did I bother to do the research? I certainly hear the same news reports as everyone else. I see the riots. I think the difference is that I wasn't prepared to believe that police, especially White police are inherently evil and racist and were out gunning for people of color to shoot. The America haters just don't know when to stop. They might get away with saying that more black men get shot by white cops but telling people that the police are in your neighborhood actually gunning for innocent people because of their skin color!!! That is simply a bridge too far. It's like when the pictures of babies in cages were first published and they caused an uproar. Well, the initial pictures of children in actual dog cages were close crops from a protest where the protesters had put their OWN CHILDREN in dog cages!!!!! The media sold this to the public as reality and way too many people bought it. I think that might have been the turning point for me. Now, I know the media is evil. Up until then, I was willing to believe that they were misinformed and had different opinions but when you are willing to believe that the government of the United States of America would actually put small children in dog cages, YOU are sick and when you sell that story without investigating it, YOU are evil.

Same with COVID. The statistics tell a very different story than the hysterical media.

 

[AccessBlaster]

TDS. Dems Work on Bill to Prevent Trump Being Buried in Arlington Cemetery. All that energy could be used elsewhere like Texas?

 

[Isaac]

And then what is the deal with the media carrying on and on about Ted's trip to Cancun? So what?!? The power goes out, the water isn't drinkable, anyone with resources you get out of town for the weekend. Who wouldn't? So what? What else was he supposed to be doing? Sitting around tables with a tie on discussing how outraged everyone is at the electric company?

So stupid. This country and what the people here focus on, has gotten to be just a big ridiculous joke. It really has. It's like the people here don't have real problems, so they make up fake ones to fawn and outrage over, dumb stuff that just doesn't matter.