Jesus Christ - Fact or Fiction?

Matt Greatorex said:
...All I was trying to do was remind the less tolerant that there is another side to the argument and it's not particularly constructive to immediately resort to name-calling and slinging around derogatory phrases.

...If you were to back and count how many postings in this thread included at least one insult, I bet the number would be depressingly high. :(

Fair enough. I try to stick to the policy of "let's discuss the issues, not the people". There's no reason we can't have a difference of opinion without taking it and making it personal.

Unfortunately, it seems that many or most people don't know how to be told something that controverts what they happen to believe without making it a personal issue.

SHADOW
 
nikkypickles said:
I agree that I don't blame evangelists for doing their job, and I doubly agree about the "leave me alone" attitude. And I commend your eloquence and balanced view. It's nice to see.

Thank you for your kind words :)

SHADOW
 
Matt Greatorex said:
However, it's the 'blame' bit that comes across particularly strongly in these forums. The fact that some posters say things in a desperate attempt to be 'controversial' notwithstanding, there have been some downright insulting and pig-ignorant comments thrown towards the more religious members of the community and their beliefs.
The more religious members of the forum ie. god fearing christians, hold the record for slinging personal insults on this forum. I don't follow your argument:confused:
 
Rich said:
The more religious members of the forum ie. god fearing christians, hold the record for slinging personal insults on this forum. I don't follow your argument:confused:
At the risk of getting into the same old argument....

If I know that someone is from a given place and/or has certain beliefs, then saying that everyone of that nationality is an idiot or anyone who believes those things is too stupid to bother with is an insult to them. i don't have the time or patience to count the number of all personal vs 'non-personal' (if we're still going to play the semantics game) insults, but I'd be willing to bet the number of times a certain country's residents get called names is way higher than the number of specific attackes on anybody.

This particular thread has had many insults posted that were directed at religious people before one of them even got involved. By my reckoning, things were more or less civilized until post #14, when the anti-religious insults and inflammatory statements began. By #18 the anti-US remarks had begun. It wasn't until #34 that someone on the 'defending' side chipped in with anything at all. And it wasn't until the high 60s that anything approaching an insult was aimed in the other direction.

Do you see what I'm saying, now?
 
but I'd be willing to bet the number of times a certain country's residents get called names is way higher than the number of specific attackes on anybody.
No the country gets attacked, however for some reason they take it personally. I think it's insecurity or something
 
Rich said:
No the country gets attacked, however for some reason they take it personally. I think it's insecurity or something

No you don't ;)
 
Rich said:
The more religious members of the forum ie. god fearing christians, hold the record for slinging personal insults on this forum. I don't follow your argument:confused:

Please say you don’t really believe that.

Your, thinly veiled, insults and personal attacks; fool no one, even your own countrymen seem to shutter when you make statements like that.

I can feel them, they're shuttering right now.
 
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jsanders said:
Please say you don’t really believe that.

Your thinly veiled insults and personal attacks; fool no one, even your own countrymen seem to shutter when you make statements like that.

I can feel them, they're shuttering right now.
Time for sleep :rolleyes:
 
jsanders said:
Sleep well, of course you will, knowing we gotch your back.
You've got nothing of mine except for contempt, now try and stay on topic
 
Matt Greatorex said:
At the risk of getting into the same old argument....

If I know that someone is from a given place and/or has certain beliefs, then saying that everyone of that nationality is an idiot or anyone who believes those things is too stupid to bother with is an insult to them. i don't have the time or patience to count the number of all personal vs 'non-personal' (if we're still going to play the semantics game) insults, but I'd be willing to bet the number of times a certain country's residents get called names is way higher than the number of specific attackes on anybody.

This particular thread has had many insults posted that were directed at religious people before one of them even got involved. By my reckoning, things were more or less civilized until post #14, when the anti-religious insults and inflammatory statements began. By #18 the anti-US remarks had begun. It wasn't until #34 that someone on the 'defending' side chipped in with anything at all. And it wasn't until the high 60s that anything approaching an insult was aimed in the other direction.

Do you see what I'm saying, now?

Matt, I appreciate your remarks and level headness. If it was my post that you were referring to that was in the high 60's and was "anything approaching an insult", then I apologize cause I really did not mean to come across insulting. I was just trying to post something that would show if the shoe was on the other foot, how would it sound. Once again, my apologizes to anyone that my remarks insulted.
 
Matt Greatorex said:
I used to have a similar opinion of religion as Messrs. McAbney, et al. until someone described it to me in a different way: If you saw someone drowning and you had a life-vest, wouldn't you feel obligated to throw it to them, even if they didn't realise they were in trouble? The same could be applied to religion - just because someone doesn't realise it, doesn't mean that the religious person doesn't wholeheartedly believe that they would benefit from it.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not a believer myself but it's harder to get annoyed with someone who wants to talk about God, Buddha, or whomever, when taken in that context.

Well said Matt and as a professing Christian then I would say that is how I feel. I don't think it is my job to convert anyone and therefor I do not choke a conversation down anyone's throat, that is about God. On the other hand, I do believe in what the Bible teaches and have a very real concern and heartfelt burden for anyone that does not. I don't want to be a pest about it and always hope that I don't come across that way.
 
Rich said:
You've got nothing of mine except for contempt, now try and stay on topic

I don’t care to engage in theological discussions,

Don’t you get it?

I only have one religious obsession, that’s to cure you of your infernal megalomaniac neurosis.
 
jsanders said:
I don’t care to engage in theological discussions,

Don’t you get it?

I only have one religious obsession, that’s to cure you of your infernal megalomaniac neurosis.
You're getting me confused with your leader
 
jsanders said:
I only have one religious obsession, that’s to cure you of your infernal megalomaniac neurosis.
Just ship him Haldol and be done with it, then. :rolleyes:
 
Kraj said:
Just ship him Haldol and be done with it, then. :rolleyes:


Perfect solution there Kraj.

I infer from that you suspect him of being psychotic not merely neurotic.
 
jsanders said:
I infer from that you suspect him of being psychotic not merely neurotic.
"Bingo" is apparently too short a message and disallowed by the forums. Therfore, my more wordy response is: "Your inferrance is astute."
 
Kraj said:
Just ship him Haldol and be done with it, then. :rolleyes:
nah thanks I've seen how well it's worked on your president, in any case coming from America it'll have string attached
 
Rich said:
in any case coming from America it'll have string attached
...so you can pull it back out of your stomache? :confused:
 

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