Lets Stop George Bush before he Destroys the Whole Planet Earth.

[The_Doc_Man]

Rich, with no disrespect intended to you as a person, I must say that when you look at the terror operatives, they certainly DO claim that they want to destroy us, Israel, and anyone else who treats certain hard-line clerics as a bunch of confused old geezers who should be home sopping bread in milk.

Therefore, when you disputed some of my statements (on about page 5), you were stating something false-to-fact. It is hard to treat your ideas as anything other than an opinion colored by something negative.

You know what? I don't like the way GWB has done some things. If you want to say that he has not been one of our better presidents, I don't think I could effectively dispute you. Where we might disagree, though, is the fact that we can recover from a bad president because the populace isn't always deaf, dumb, and blind.

Well I'm not sure where that came from but simply because a few black high flyers have at last made it doesn't give you the right to take the moral high ground regarding the treatment of Negroes, equality and freedom etc.

I have seen poverty and wealth and all stages in between with Negroes. I live in a city where the black population was greater then any other single population. I know that at least in N'Awlins, prosperity comes to those OF ANY COLOR who wish to work. You have read some pure, unadulterated CRAP regarding suppression of blacks. Some historical suppression has indeed occurred, but lately that suppression is NOT directed to blacks. It is directed to poor people, who then try to vote for the folks who keep the gravy train coming. It is directed to the LAZY people of our country - of ANY color - who think that the world owes them a living.

You know, if there is anything wrong with the world, including my homeland but also including yours, it is the concept of "entitlements" to the folks who like to live on the dole and don't want to really earn their keep. No, maybe I don't want everyone to be fully self-supportive - but the negative noises you hear most often about our country come from demagogues who want to fan the flames among the poor - white AND black AND Hispanic AND whatever else you've got. Fan the flames, make some headlines, pull up some gut-wrenching, heart-breaking headlines. Until you realize that the heart-breaking situation is more often than not due to the person's unwillingness to take responsibility for his/her own life.

Remember our late president John F Kennedy? He rhetorically asked a question that still rings forth today as a meaningful, eloquent statement: Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country. I didn't vote for JFK at the time because I was not old enough. But knowing what I do about him now, I might have supported him.

 

[Rich]

a bunch of confused old geezers who should be home sopping bread in milk.

You'll forgive me I'm sure for retorting that I think the same applies to Bush, Chenny, etc

Where we might disagree, though, is the fact that we can recover from a bad president because the populace isn't always deaf, dumb, and blind.

I think that you'll find it will be many many years before America regains any standing in the world after Bush, I wish I could say that's not the case for us but sadly after Bliar the same holds true.

You have read some pure, unadulterated CRAP regarding suppression of blacks. Some historical suppression has indeed occurred,

Some?
Come off it, for most of America’s history they have been seen and treated as second class citizens, in fact I'd go so far as to say they were treat like shit. How can you claim equality and justice when there are still more Black kids in prisons in Texas than there are in school?
If there are numerous opportunities for Blacks in N'Awlins why did Bush lower the minimum wage there, one reason, the same reason they were tossed aside during Katrina, they're Black.
Aside from the horrific damage reeked by Katrina do you know what my most telling memory of the incident is?
Blacks herded like cattle into a stadium surrounded by police armed with pump action rifles, humanity, I don't think so.

I must say that when you look at the terror operatives, they certainly DO claim that they want to destroy us, Israel, and anyone else who treats certain hard-line clerics

Israel and the Jews is not a subject that can be covered in any depth in just a few lines except that
For many, hatred of the Jews goes back some 2,000 yrs and for others it stems from the setting up of the Jewish homeland.
There are many, myself included who have sympathy for Israel, however it doesn't do itself any favours when it reacts to aggression like a wounded tiger, striking back out of all proportion to the initial incident, (just like America)

 

[MrsGorilla]

Come off it, for most of America’s history they have been seen and treated as second class citizens, in fact I'd go so far as to say they were treat like shit. How can you claim equality and justice when there are still more Black kids in prisons in Texas than there are in school?

Maybe because black kids commit more crimes? Everyone in this country has an equal opportunity for education. Whether or not they seize upon it is up to them. Some take the "easy" way out and turn to crime instead. If their parents allow them to do this, then shame on them. Unfortunately, some parents want their kids to steal/live on welfare/whatever rather than trying to better themselves, or they simply do not care. Should we take more steps to help those kids who want to help themselves? Probably, but I'm not really an expert on this area so I don't know what systems may already be in place for assistance or what may still be lacking.

Aside from the horrific damage reeked by Katrina do you know what my most telling memory of the incident is?
Blacks herded like cattle into a stadium surrounded by police armed with pump action rifles, humanity, I don't think so.

You must have been watching a different news program than I was. They weren't forcibly herded into the stadium. They went there because the leaders of that city/state told them to go there because it would be a safe place to wait out the storm. They also thought they would only be there a matter of hours, rather than days. I thought we went over all of this before in another thread.

Anyway, you clearly think you know more about it than those of us who live here, so poo on you.

 

[Rich]

Maybe because black kids commit more crimes?

I don't dispute that but the question has to be why?

so poo on you

That's more like it, now you're getting into the spirit of it

as an aside as I was here last night my Grandson was sat beside me and was fascinated with your name, avatar, who you were and what you looked like. Of course I explained that no pictures of you existed here but that your daughter must look like you, having showed him her picture he saw another users name and said "who the hell is Kraj"?
I coudn't answer that one

 

[MrsGorilla]

That's more like it, now you're getting into the spirit of it

as an aside as I was here last night my Grandson was sat beside me and was fascinated with your name, avatar, who you were and what you looked like. Of course I explained that no pictures of you existed here but that your daughter must look like you, having showed him her picture he saw another users name and said "who the hell is Kraj"?
I coudn't answer that one

Aw, how cute. I do remember posting a pic here long ago before the forum crash, but I'm sure it's lost forever. I'm afraid I don't have any recent ones that I like. I haven't dropped all the weight from having Emily yet. I will, I'm determined, but it sure is taking a long time.

Ah, well. Now that I've hijacked the thread away from the hijack that had already taken place.

 

[Rich]

Ah, well. Now that I've hijacked the thread away from the hijack that had already taken place.

No worries, we'll soon get the thread back on track

 

[MrsGorilla]

No worries, we'll soon get the thread back on track

Somehow I don't feel that bad about hijacking a thread that's already been hijacked.

I try not to be the first one to do it though...

 

[ShaneMan]

as an aside as I was here last night my Grandson was sat beside me and was fascinated with your name, avatar, who you were and what you looked like. Of course I explained that no pictures of you existed here but that your daughter must look like you, having showed him her picture he saw another users name and said "who the hell is Kraj"?
I coudn't answer that one

Grandson? Grandson! GRANDSON!!! I thought you were 21 and just turned 22. You mean you've been lying to us all along? Has there been any truth to anything you've said to us? I'm crushed.

 

[MrsGorilla]

Grandson? Grandson! GRANDSON!!! I thought you were 21 and just turned 22. You mean you've been lying to us all along? Has there been any truth to anything you've said to us? I'm crushed.

He started young, and so did his kids.

 

[ShaneMan]

He started young, and so did his kids.

I don't know. I think you may be trying to cover for him and he almost had me convinced to cross over to the dark side. Now that I know the truth is not in him. I'll have to reconsider.

 

[MrsGorilla]

I don't know. I think you may be trying to cover for him and he almost had me convinced to cross over to the dark side. Now that I know the truth is not in him. I'll have to reconsider.

You're going to give him hope with statements like that.

And besides, what are you talking about just turned 22? If you look in his profile it clearly shows that he was born in 1985, making him 21.

 

[Rich]

Now is the time to get back to the subject in hand

 

[ColinEssex]

None of your business

I'm wanting to go else where for my online discussions.

It is when you post on a public forum that you're thinking of leaving. If you don't want it to become other peoples business, keep quiet

Col

 

[Bodisathva]

I don't dispute that but the question has to be why?

Because we don't have you, the Great and Powerful Oz, to come waive your magic wand and make everything coincide with your idealistic view of humanity. Until you see fit to save us all, I suppose we'll just have to deal with the fact that people are people. They become what they know. If they grow up in a family/neighborhood which promotes living off the public dole as opposed to performing an honest day's work, they will not be likely to break the cycle. As long as the system will give them something for nothing, why should they work? The reason for their behavior is as simple as that of Pavlov's Dogs.

 

[Rich]

Because we don't have you, the Great and Powerful Oz, to come waive your magic wand and make everything coincide with your idealistic view of humanity.

I, unlike you, am an optimist

Until you see fit to save us all, I suppose we'll just have to deal with the fact that people are people. They become what they know. If they grow up in a family/neighborhood which promotes living off the public dole as opposed to performing an honest day's work, they will not be likely to break the cycle. As long as the system will give them something for nothing, why should they work? The reason for their behavior is as simple as that of Pavlov's Dogs.

Then your government should tackle the problem instead of poking its nose into every other countrys business

 

[Bodisathva]

I, unlike you, am an optimist

no argument there

Then your government should tackle the problem instead of poking its nose into every other countrys business

For once, we are in complete agreement I'll mark it on the calendar

 

[Rich]

you focus on no other subject but America.

Sign up to SteadfastPatrio.com, oops silly me, that focuses on no other subject but America and its greatness.

 

[dan-cat]

It is when you post on a public forum that you're thinking of leaving. If you don't want it to become other peoples business, keep quiet

Col

It was supposed to be a light-hearted comment ... but oh well...

 

[dan-cat]

you focus on no other subject but America.

Sign up to SteadfastPatrio.com, oops silly me, that focuses on no other subject but America and its greatness.

Evidence for the prosecution Your Honor!

 

[ColinEssex]

To return to the original topic of this thread.

I understand that in November, there are "mid-term elections". As I understand it, the senate comprises mainly of republican senators which means that Mr Bush pretty much gets his own way.

Are the mid-term elections an opportunity for American people to vote in some other senators who may put up some resistance to Mr Bush and his ideas?

If so, will people (who voted republican) change their vote to show some defiance against Mr Bush? or will people still vote the same and miss the opportunity to "do something"

The majority of Americans on this forum have voiced discontent at the current administrations antics - what are you going to do? continue to vote republican then tell us (outsiders) that you can do nothing?

Col