The One True Religion

[Brianwarnock]

What would be the point otherwise? surely our existense depends on our ability to take those chances.

So some poor sod born in the wrong place ends up in hell because he/she didn't get to read the right book?

Brian

 

[Rich]

and we have all seen pictures of the nodding donkeys learning the Koran

Brian

Were they the ones seen carrying placards around the streets of London not so long ago?

 

[Mile-O]

What evidence? Evolution started out a theory and still is a theory.

In scientific usage, a theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch, as it often does in other contexts. A theory is a logically self-consistent model or framework for describing the behavior of a related set of natural or social phenomena. It originates from and/or is supported by experimental evidence (see scientific method). In this sense, a theory is a systematic and formalized expression of all previous observations that is predictive, logical and testable.

Thanks to Adeptus for providing that explanation.

You choose to be more convinced by the evidence that a scientist brings to you and a person of faith chooses to believe what their Bible/Torah tells them.

I most certainly choose to be convinced by the evidence of science until it proves otherwise, as it's a logical solution and, despite the improbability of life, it's the only sane solution to the origins of species. I would doubt that the majority of religious people chooses to believe what their scriptures tell them since most children are brought up indoctrinated into the religion and denied the right to choose for themselves until such a time as the dogma has infected their minds and ability to think rationally about the ridiculous notion of a supreme power.

someone who believes in evolution is some how more intelligent.

I think that somehow is because the follow logical evidence supporting evolution. Religion provides no evidence - indeed, it ignores the evidence - and bases its whole argument upon a collection of papers written over a number of years that have been translated and edited at various stages of their existence to the point where they make no sense.

Someone who believes God created is some how simple, dumb, or a whacko.

See above.

Please point me to the "inconsistent scriptures" that you have found in the Bible. Just curious as to where they are.

Have a look at this list.

As regards Christianity, you have to wonder upon why such people would dote on the notion of Jesus Christ. In much the same way that 'thou shalt not kill' in the Old Testament meant 'thou shalt not kill a Jew', the Jesus who claims in the New Testament that you should 'love thy neighbour' uses neighbour to mean 'fellow Jew'.

The apocryphal Book of Judas states that Jesus asked Judas to betray him - it was all part of the divine plan. Christians seem to neglect that if it wasn't for Judas (or Jesus asking Judas to help) then Christ would not have supposedly died for their sins. So why persecute Judas? He gives their religion its existence. By calling Jews 'Christ-killers' the hypocrisy deepens as withouth the crucifixion, there would no doubt be no Christianity.

It was awfully nice of Jesus to die for sins past, present, and future. Nice of him to die for sins people have as yet to make the decision to commit. Sin, of course, being passed down in the semen since Adam for the crime of munching on a bit of fruit, an apple classically. But Jesus, as the Son of God, and as God Himself, knew that Adam didn't exist anyway since the Creation story of the Book of Genesis is meant to be interpreted symbolically. So where's the actual sin that Jesus is meant to have died for. Utterly crazy. If anything should be committed, it's not sin but the people who believe this, especially those who believe literally in it.

 

[Rich]

So some poor sod born in the wrong place ends up in hell because he/she didn't get to read the right book?

Brian

I wonder where you end up if you read them all?

 

[Mile-O]

I started this thread simply to illustrate that anyone, no matter what their beliefs, can act the fanatic.

I don't believe anyone is going overboard. It would seem your illustration doesn't exist.

 

[Rich]

In much the same way that 'thou shalt not kill' in the Old Testament meant 'thou shalt not kill a Jew',

Well no not really, it's now been re-translated, apparently to 'thou shalt not murder'

 

[ColinEssex]

So some poor sod born in the wrong place ends up in hell because he/she didn't get to read the right book?

Brian

Thats a question I've asked many times on these forums, with no real answer.

How do you know what religion is the right one? Say you practise christianity to the letter - then you die and find that Hinduism was the real religion - what a sod eh?

Col

 

[Mile-O]

Well no not really, it's now been re-translated, apparently to 'thou shalt not murder'

That's good. By default it should deter the anti-abortionist crazies such as Paul Jennings Hill since murder is a legal term and not a religious one. Murder, being the killing of a person that has been born. Of course, it won't deter them because they pick and choose what to believe in.

 

[lightray]

So some poor sod born in the wrong place ends up in hell because he/she didn't get to read the right book?

Brian

Still taking that chance! besides hell is an imaginary human concept. No factual evidence that it exists.

 

[lightray]

Thats a question I've asked many times on these forums, with no real answer.

How do you know what religion is the right one? Say you practise christianity to the letter - then you die and find that Hinduism was the real religion - what a sod eh?

Col

I think that any religion you choose, is the right one for you. Nobody can tell you different. what if there is only one god, but your perception sees a different face?

 

[Mile-O]

I think that any religion you choose, is the right one for you. Nobody can tell you different.

I think you are taking away from Col's question by adding 'for you'. He asked which is the right religion, not which is the right religion for you? There is a difference. The latter is personal, while the former is responsible for worldwide disagreements.

The right religion, to silly believers, is that to which they are indoctrinated. The religion teaches that and calls all others heathen or infidel. But, to play on the words of Henry Ford, religion is bunk.

 

[ColinEssex]

I think that any religion you choose, is the right one for you. Nobody can tell you different. what if there is only one god, but your perception sees a different face?

What we're talking about is the end product - the heaven, nirvana, eternal peace after you die.

Surely any religion teaches on how to live your life to the benefit of mankind, being a good nice person etc etc whilst you're alive. The heaven bit is the reward for living that good life - not killing, stealing etc etc

Too many people think they can go to church once a week and then be a complete bastard the rest of the week, but surely it doesn't work like that does it?

I'm still betting on the sun as a god. At least it's there in the sky and you can see it, its pleasant, warm and without it we all die. Its a better bet than some old scraps of paper based on heresay.
"God" could be the sun, who knows for sure its not?

Col

 

[lightray]

I think you are taking away from Col's question by adding 'for you'. He asked which is the right religion, not which is the right religion for you? There is a difference. The latter is personal, while the former is responsible for worldwide disagreements.

The right religion, to silly believers, is that to which they are indoctrinated. The religion teaches that and calls all others heathen or infidel. But, to play on the words of Henry Ford, religion is bunk.

Sorry I have to dissagree, he clearly uses the word you as personal

Say you practise christianity to the letter - then you die and find that Hinduism was the real religion

Edit: by that I don't mean me personal, but personal general, which is the way I meant 'for you' general get it?

 

[Mile-O]

I'm still betting on the sun as a god. At least it's there in the sky and you can see it, its pleasant, warm and without it we all die. Its a better bet than some old scraps of paper based on heresay.
"God" could be the sun, who knows for sure its not?

There's an interesting section in The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, in which he talks of Incan ritual. He mentions a documentary in which the makers praise a girl of around nine years for her willing sacrifice to the sun. Due to religious indoctrination she may believe that it is good to die for the sun but if you were to whisper in her ear and explain the science that the sun is simply a star converting hydrogen to helium via nuclear fusion then she may be less than willing to step up the altar. Back then our science wasn't as great as it was now. So why, in this day and age, can people ignore the science and still believe superstition?

I have to dissagree, he clearly uses the word you as personal

Which was an example inspired by the preceding question: How do you know what religion is the right one?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Sorry I have to dissagree, he clearly uses the word you as personal

Bullshit Col uses the word here as one , anyone, I suppose he should have written
Say one practises christianity .......

Brian

 

[lightray]

Bullshit Col uses the word here as one , anyone, I suppose he should have written
Say one practises christianity .......

Brian

Which is exactly how I meant 'for you' for anyone. I have no need to make personal attacks on col

 

[ColinEssex]

I didn't mean to cause a fight.

I was asking - out of all the religions, which religion is the "real" one.

My example of being a devout christian then finding the christianity is all tosh when you die and Hindu is the real religion should have clarified it.

I don't care which is the right one for me, I want to know which is the right one - full stop. As Bri says, its like a postcode lottery.

Stu - I know what the modern scientific thoughts are re the suns construction, but you have to admit that if you think god can manifest in any form, god could be the sun, it has to be a better bet than christianity.

I don't agree with the sacrifices bit though.

Col

ps - note how we have good discussions in the morning, but not in the afternoons

 

[lightray]

I don't care which is the right one for me, I want to know which is the right one - full stop.

As I was trying to say, I don't think it's important which one is chosen. As the saying goes "All roads lead to Rome"

It is perhaps only our failing to believe in ourselves, that gives us cause to crucify others.

 

[ColinEssex]

As I was trying to say, I don't think it's important which one is chosen. As the saying goes "All roads lead to Rome"

That may be correct, its certainly an idea, I don't know enough about the many religions to disagree, I just know that christianity is practised by hypocrits who hide behind the religion to make themselves appear superior.

Other posters who reckon they know everything, may log on this afternoon and dismiss this comment as worthless.

Col

 

[Brianwarnock]

Col if there is a god then I'm more inclined to the Greek/Roman view of many bickering gpds with us caught up in the middle, it least it would explain natural disasters which you would thing an all powerful merciful loving supreme being would prevent, although I suppose the followers of Islam who believe themselves to be servants of their god can more readily accept them than Christians who are their God's children.

Brian