Gun laws do they work

that not all, but I just had to go take a shower to cool of.
 
That police officer sounds like a complete nutjob. He should have his carrying permit and badge revoked. His reaction is not a normal reaction. Talk about paranoid! We don't need people like that serving and protecting.

In my very large city, I know what areas of town are dangerous to approach or be approached by strangers. I'm sure this is no different than any other city in the world. Anywhere else I will engage with friendly conversation at will without a feeling of paranoia or the need to protect myself.

Vassago old buddy, I know Jax quite well. If the facts are exactly as stated then that sounds extreme to me also. My wife tells me I talk to, too many strangers. However, everyone on this forum agrees that we can’t trust the news reports. Suppose, just suppose that the media forgot to mention that the strangers on the trail had their faces concealed either by a hoodie or a scarf or big hat, and one of them were eyeballing his wife, and one of them had a bugle under his waist band. Would not that change the playing field? Of course we know the media would not do that would it?!!!!!
 
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Police Officer:-
“Recently, while out for a walk in Nose Hill Park, in broad daylight on a paved trail, two young men approached my wife and me. The men stepped in front of us, then said in a very aggressive tone: "Been to the Stampede yet?"

Part of the report from the Calgary Herald:-
“Yes, Walt Wawra is a real person. No, the letter we published from him Tuesday, about the “confrontation” he and his wife had with two Calgarians in Nose Hill Park, was not a hoax.”
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The Police Office never said the ‘two young men’ were ‘Calgarians’, the Herald did. The Calgary Herald has needlessly embellished the article whereas the Police Officer did not.

Is the article, by the Calgary Herald, trying to raise emotional support by incorrectly stating the ‘two young men’ were ‘Calgarians’?

I would sooner trust a 20 year Police Officer to report the facts rather than a reporter writing an article.

I would sooner trust a 20 year Police Officer’s reaction to that type of situation rather than a reporter who was not there and seems to have other motives.

Chris.
 
Not to mention, it's an opinion piece. It's not supposed to be based on facts, but rather one person's opinion. They are no expert on the situation.

But who asks a question like that in an "aggressive" tone? The police officer's story isn't exactly adding up either.
 
And no, I don't particularly trust the police any more than I do anyone else. They are human, after all.
 
Not to mention, it's an opinion piece. It's not supposed to be based on facts, but rather one person's opinion. They are no expert on the situation.

But who asks a question like that in an "aggressive" tone? The police officer's story isn't exactly adding up either.

Good point (An opinion) Therein lies so much of the problem, as so many people take an Opinion article as news. Can't really blame the press for that, however, they know what they are doing, but technically they can't be blamed, for what gullible individuals do.
 
My intension here is not to take sides in the debate but to simply question that which is being put forward as so called fact.

I am sorry if I missed the statement that says that the report was just one persons opinion. If that statement was made then I would like to see it. If that statement wasn’t made then it would appear that the entire article is just one person’s opinion and can be read as such.

A problem arises when that one person’s opinion finds its way into print whereby people, who do not question it, simply believe it to be fact. It is my intension to question both the information presented in that article and the reason for that article to be printed.

That article is erroneous in at least the one point I made, and there may be others.
What then is the intent of publishing an article which, even if only one person’s opinion, is erroneous? Is it poor editorial skills or is there a need to keep circulation up?

On the other hand, I can see no erroneous information in the Police officers statement of the incident. Could it be that he, as a 20 year Police officer, knows better than to make erroneous statements which could go into print? Sure, that Police officer is human but I think he would be mindful of what he says, especially in print.

So, as far as the account of the actual incident on the day, I read it this way…
A mindful 20 year Police officer, who was there, gives a written account of the incident.
A reporter, who wasn’t there, gives an account of the incident which has already been proven to be erroneous.

Personally, if it came to law and not conjecture, I’d put my money on the officer.

But again I say; I am not taking sides in the debate. I’m simply questioning that which is being put forward as fact.

Chris.
 
My intension here is not to take sides in the debate but to simply question that which is being put forward as so called fact.

Your intention is simply to add your .02, just like everyone else. I don't think anyone is automatically assuming that the reporter is 100% accurate. We are all reading this article through the lens of our personal experiences.

Dick, for example, is certain that a lot of people are out to get him and just waiting to rob him or injure him. So to him, the article is immediately under suspicion as it does not agree with his long held beliefs.

I have met a lot of crazy gun people (probably in similar disposition as Mike375 who said about he was disappointed he hadn't been able to kill anyone yet), and as such the article rings true to me as it does match my long held beliefs.

A problem arises when that one person’s opinion finds its way into print whereby people, who do not question it, simply believe it to be fact. It is my intension to question both the information presented in that article and the reason for that article to be printed.

That's the power of the media. A university did a study a few years back and found out that Fox News viewers are, on average, less informed than the viewers of other media. The reason? I would say that it is because Fox News is incredibly biased and twists every story to make it agree with their long held beliefs. And their viewers tune in to have their long held beliefs confirmed. I.E., they want someone to tell them they are right, their anger/fear/rage is justified, etc.

But again I say; I am not taking sides in the debate. I’m simply questioning that which is being put forward as fact.

Don't be so worried about taking a side. We're all just guessing here ;)
 
I visited Detroit one time. Want the actual address? 3464 Cicotte Ave. Want the actual date Aug 8, 1997. Time approx. 2:30 pm, broad daylight.

"one time". I've lived here all my life. Yes, Detroit is a dangerous city. Its pays to be extra cautious when traveling there. It doesn't mean everyone's trying to get you.

As far as all these other places you have experienced criminal activities, have you ever wondered if there is something that you are doing that might be causing these incidents? Are you driving very expensive vehicles in poor neighborhoods? Does your apparel indicate that you are wealthy? Are you drawing attention to yourself by driving a vehicle with slogans or other advertisements on it?

Hate to play "blame the victim", but you seem to get into an awful lot of trouble all around the country.
 
I just read that article. If you scroll to the bottom there are some tweets coming in that indicate they were ticket distributors.

It illustrates my contention that once you convince yourself of the need to 'protect' yourself in this way, you become a serious hazard. You're walking around with a skewed outlook on reality. A victim of too much sensationalism, I reckon.
 
"one time". I've lived here all my life. Yes, Detroit is a dangerous city. Its pays to be extra cautious when traveling there. It doesn't mean everyone's trying to get you.

As far as all these other places you have experienced criminal activities, have you ever wondered if there is something that you are doing that might be causing these incidents? Are you driving very expensive vehicles in poor neighborhoods? Does your apparel indicate that you are wealthy? Are you drawing attention to yourself by driving a vehicle with slogans or other advertisements on it?

Hate to play "blame the victim", but you seem to get into an awful lot of trouble all around the country.

Adam you are so right! If I gave the impression that everyone is out to get me than I guess I did not express myself like I wanted to. As a point of correcting, I have been to at least 600 (no exaggeration) other address that I have been parked my RV at in the last twenty years that nothing happened. But the point that I was correcting was that being cautious is not being paranoid. Also we should not have to be worried about what neighbor we are in or what we have on wither it be a hoodie or a three piece suit, but we do.
 
I am sorry if I missed the statement that says that the report was just one persons opinion. If that statement was made then I would like to see it. If that statement wasn’t made then it would appear that the entire article is just one person’s opinion and can be read as such.

Besides the fact that the entire article is full of opinions without supporting facts, there is this:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/nosehillgentlemen+Kalamazoo+police+officer+letter/7054368/story.html

The section the report is under is also called OPINION if you look at the blue menu bar across the top of the page under the heading.


I know what you mean about news articles online that are opinion blogs being passed off as fact. I don't know how many times I've had friends/acquaintances of mine use opinion pieces in debates with me. :banghead:
 
Besides the fact that the entire article is full of opinions without supporting facts, there is this:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/columnists/nosehillgentlemen+Kalamazoo+police+officer+letter/7054368/story.html

The section the report is under is also called OPINION if you look at the blue menu bar across the top of the page under the heading.


I know what you mean about news articles online that are opinion blogs being passed off as fact. I don't know how many times I've had friends/acquaintances of mine use opinion pieces in debates with me. :banghead:

right you are. We can't fully blame the media because some people take it as fact than in reality is put out there as opinion.
 
Taking security steps is not being paranoid. . . . . .I see news articles almost every day where someone has been victimized by criminals and, in many of them, the article goes on to say that the bad guys entered through an unlocked back door, or an open window.

But you can go to far. You admit you carry a gun virtually 24/7, including whilst you relax at home. . . . . why?

Why not lock the back door and windows? I really think you have a mental issue over this carrying a gun business.

Is it really so dangerous in Portland Oregan? Remind me never to go there (other than to have lunch with you):)

Col
 
But you can go to far. You admit you carry a gun virtually 24/7, including whilst you relax at home. . . . . why?

Why not lock the back door and windows? I really think you have a mental issue over this carrying a gun business.

Is it really so dangerous in Portland Oregan? Remind me never to go there (other than to have lunch with you):)

Col

Bob,
I am coming for lunch also, but only if your buying and I can bring my gun.
Davep,
Don't you have violent crimes around where you live say with in 75 miles everyday, or almost every day.:confused:
 
Colin - After your "threatening emails" a couple of years or so ago, I would for sure be carrying if I knew you were coming. I really have no desire to ever meet in person. Hope you can get over that (I'm sure you'll have no trouble).

As for Dick - I'd buy but you couldn't bring yours because Oregon doesn't recognize out of state permits (the idiots). And I couldn't come to Florida as they don't recognize mine.
 
Colin - After your "threatening emails" a couple of years or so ago, I would for sure be carrying if I knew you were coming. I really have no desire to ever meet in person. Hope you can get over that (I'm sure you'll have no trouble).

As for Dick - I'd buy but you couldn't bring yours because Oregon doesn't recognize out of state permits (the idiots). And I couldn't come to Florida as they don't recognize mine.

Bob,
Don't you think a real friend would have a supply of guns to pick from and a temp permit handy for a visiting friend?
I'll buy but you have to like Chines buffets. I have been to Chines buffets in 33 states, and by my taste we have the best here in Ocala, FL. I know I have been to one in OR, but right now I can even remember what city I was in.
 
I read this on a so called news item a long time ago. This story may not be true, but it doesn’t have to be true for me to like it.
A retired Air Force officer was being interviewed about the boy’s youth group that he was taking to the range to learn how to fire guns. His liberal intviewer said “teaching them how to fire guns, aren’t you equipping them to be terrorist”? “He said you’re equipped to be a prostitute, but you are one, are you”?
Here is a question of my own. Now I believe that everyone has a right to oppose guns if they want. That is why I served in the military. The big question in my mind, why is it that 90% of the people that I meet that want guns band are liberals. This is not mean to be a derogatory comment, it just really baffles me.


 
Dick; Snopes is a great place to check the veracity of stories that you see floating around the internet. :D

Seems the story you quote is unfortunately false but non the less quiet funny :D
 
Dick; Snopes is a great place to check the veracity of stories that you see floating around the internet. :D

Seems the story you quote is unfortunately false but non the less quiet funny :D

Hey John,
Good to hear from you, not that that I am surprised. That is why I put that disclaimer in there. As I said it does have to be true for me to like it.

 

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