Islam - Pure and Simple

[Rich]

I read an article in a newspaper when visiting the UK where the government was going to withdraw certain benefits if an individual did not make a sincere attempt to integrate into society (learn the language etc).

And the difference between that and being forced to swear at a flag in American is?

 

[Rich]

and surprise surprise you're not interested...

Who in America is likely to agree with or even accept the crux of such an essay?

 

[GaryPanic]

meant to be working --
and eating a cake all at the same time .

Yes. Brit English - and thanks for pointing out Sikh--
somewhere I have picked this up - must of been a doco-- where it was explain or shown that the Sikh were seekers of truth .. - so in my mind I have latched on to Seeks

and yes - I know sloppy english - I must take more time to read what the hell I am trying to say...

 

[aziz rasul]

Rich, even past infidels have reverted to a religion. But I won't send you the book as you requested.

 

[dan-cat]

And the difference between that and being forced to swear at a flag in American is?

*sigh* can you not just engage in a topic without covering it in your old blanket. It's like you can't discuss any issue without referring to the US equivalent. Why don't you try a different approach for a change?

 

[Rich]

Rich, even past infidels have reverted to a religion. But I won't send you the book as you requested.

How far back in the past?

 

[dan-cat]

Who in America is likely to agree with or even accept the crux of such an essay?

Who thinks this thread has anything to do with America apart from you...

 

[Rich]

*sigh* can you not just engage in a topic without covering it in your old blanket. It's like you can't discuss any issue without referring to the US equivalent. Why don't you try a different approach for a change?

But I'm comparing countries, what's wrong with that?

 

[Brianwarnock]

*sigh* can you not just engage in a topic without covering it in your old blanket. It's like you can't discuss any issue without referring to the US equivalent. Why don't you try a different approach for a change?

Actually Dan I didn't know that you swore at the flag, I thought you left that to the enemy.

forced to swear at a flag

from Rich

Brian

 

[dan-cat]

But I thought free thinkers were of the opinion that man created god and not the other way around

Free thinkers don't have a set opinion, that's the whole point of open-mindedness...sheesh

 

[GaryPanic]

Gary,

All good points to be sure and yes me being in the US I have to rely on the media etc than what is happening at ground level.

From said source, I've always gained the impression that the UK was over-compensating for it's lesser tolerant past and that the resulting imbalance (ie the guy working in a store for 20 years who couldn't speak english) was now needing to be redressed. Is this a true reflection of what's going on?

Here is a good article on the issue

I think what happen, is that a community gathered in one area and there was no need to speak english, as the community were of one clan , Bradford has a high population of Indian another town has Bangelashee (typo) etc
pretty much like the Brits who have gone to Spain , they have towns of (arrogant Brits) who refuse to lean Spanish -
So its not an isolated problem - nor a pop at the Indians, but just that if you don't have to learn, you don't, people are by and large lazy (look at my spelling as an example) and thats what has happened...

 

[Rich]

Who thinks this thread has anything to do with America apart from you...

I merely replied to your mention of the USA

 

[Rich]

Actually Dan I didn't know that you swore at the flag, I thought you left that to the enemy.

from Rich

Brian

Brian they have to swear at it everyday

 

[dan-cat]

But I'm comparing countries, what's wrong with that?

Hint:

Why don't you try a different approach for a change?

Double Hint: Re-using the same pattern of thought ad nauseam does not illustrate free thinking.

 

[Rich]

Free thinkers don't have a set opinion, that's the whole point of open-mindedness...sheesh

Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds that beliefs should be formed on the basis of science and logical principles and not be compromised by authority, tradition, or any other dogma. The cognitive application of freethought is known as freethinking, and practitioners of freethought are known as freethinkers.

 

[Rich]

Hint:



Double Hint: Re-using the same pattern of thought ad nauseam does not illustrate free thinking.

But I've studied the subject from a philosophical viewpoint and come to the only logical conclusion

 

[dan-cat]

I merely replied to your mention of the USA

And the difference between that and being forced to swear at a flag in American is?

I read an article in a newspaper when visiting the UK where the government was going to withdraw certain benefits if an individual did not make a sincere attempt to integrate into society (learn the language etc).

No you didn't.

 

[KalelGmoon]

Brian they have to swear at it everyday

Actually that is false Rich, when I was growing up there was a time in elementary school, k-6, that we did do the pledge of allegiance, but then someone thought that the Under God line made it religious so we stopped it. After like 3rd or 4th grade we no longer did the pledge of Allegiance. if it is still done at all, at least where I am from, it is done in parochial schools who don't have to stick to the separation of church and state.

Aziz I would like a copy of your paper, could you send it to kalel@mk-goldenmoon.com ? thanks.

 

[dan-cat]

Your quote:

"But I thought free thinkers were of the opinion that man created god and not the other way around"

Your unqualified reference:

"Freethought is a philosophical viewpoint that holds that beliefs should be formed on the basis of science and logical principles and not be compromised by authority, tradition, or any other dogma. The cognitive application of freethought is known as freethinking, and practitioners of freethought are known as freethinkers."

A "free thinker" and a "freethinker" are not the same thing.

 

[GaryPanic]

just had a quick look at the BBC item...
there are a few thing in here that are designed to get most Brits foaming at the mouth on this

Segregation (typo?) - Most Brits find the idea of this total against what England/UK stands for and the press have done this just to get people ranting - it must of been a poor news day (god I hope so..) that does not mean there is no truth in this and being a white middle class person, i would not be a voice to say it is or is not - I hope that it isn't so , but you would need so-one who can be objective about it
say a Muslim ... do we know any ..Aziz might be a better voice on this, and from the tone of the posts backwards and forwards might be just the person..
but it would also depend on where they are from ..
as I am sure you will agree, those in large cities probably intergrate better than those is small townships

Trade centres (ports etc) have more movement of people and as such come into contact with different races/cultures -

looking at state side just for a mo(not having a poke) New York has amix of culture Jewish /black etc

whereas some of the small hill-billie towns down south (and excuse the phrasing ,its just to get a point accross) would probably shoot a jewish person or a black person rather than talk to them .. its the flow of cultures that should make a nation more tolerent -the UK being an island has relied on trade for centeries (typo), but has generally adopted the influx of different cultures .

Our indian meals is a very good one

the last time I went state side, I think I saw 1 indian resturant. if you were to come over here ther are more indian resturants than any other,
now the indian restuarants are getting specialised
down to regional
i have a Pakistain Restuarant - which is really nice , and also a Nepal Restuarant (although not quite india- they still have the same dishies -fuller flavour , not so hot)

again i ramble...