I now think B Obama is the best choice for America and the world

[ASherbuck]

I checked the rates, and it's kind of funny. If I took a pay cut(SMALL pay cut) I would qualify for medicaid, welfare and food stamps and I'd be making more money with more benefits.

I'd love all 3 but I'm keeping myself afloat right now and don't need it. I'm one of those statistics of uninsured, but with medical bills nothing major, just recently diagnosed with Asthma and I'm in my mid 20's (Asthma isn't a result of anything in the Marines, so they aren't paying). So, when I listen to Sean Hannity talk about how someone has to pull themselves up by their bootstraps I like to politely chuckle and shake my head.

 

[Alisa]

But if I went to live in America it would not to be to make 2 to 3 times the poverty level. There is no doubt that the Australian health system is superior. But I still don't understand how anyone who is physically capable of working only wants to earn 2 or 3 times the poverty level.

What would you rather do?

1) Earn $200,000 plus and not need the system.

2) Earn 2 times the poverty level and hope the system caters for you.

I still don't understand why you think that anyone can just earn any amount they want. Is the job market really good over there or something? You can just walk in and demand whatever salary you want? Over here, you are lucky to get a job offer in the first place, and there is no way anyone is going to pay any average working person that amount.

 

[Alisa]

I checked the rates, and it's kind of funny. If I took a pay cut(SMALL pay cut) I would qualify for medicaid, welfare and food stamps and I'd be making more money with more benefits.

I'd love all 3 but I'm keeping myself afloat right now and don't need it. I'm one of those statistics of uninsured, but with medical bills nothing major, just recently diagnosed with Asthma and I'm in my mid 20's (Asthma isn't a result of anything in the Marines, so they aren't paying). So, when I listen to Sean Hannity talk about how someone has to pull themselves up by their bootstraps I like to politely chuckle and shake my head.

That really sucks.

 

[Mike375]

I still don't understand why you think that anyone can just earn any amount they want. Is the job market really good over there or something? You can just walk in and demand whatever salary you want? Over here, you are lucky to get a job offer in the first place, and there is no way anyone is going to pay any average working person that amount.

It is called "working for yourself"

 

[Alisa]

It is called "working for yourself"

So for everyone that needs to hire people, too bad?

 

[Vassago]

The whole Osama/Obama thing is really getting out of hand and played out. I mean seriously, comparing a US Senator and Presidential candidate to a radical terrorist is pretty extreme and pretty immature.

 

[Vassago]

 

[boblarson]

 

[Mike375]

So for everyone that needs to hire people, too bad?

There are always people to hire because most people don't want to work for themselves.

HOWEVER, most people who choose the "work for someone route" are happy to acknowledge that there is a trade off.

You appear to want all that comes with a job and all that comes with working for yourself and hope the gov't will deliver it for you.

The Obama deal is a con job. Obama, Bush and McCain = All the same.

Do you really believe that you can have the same health system as a bloke who earns a million year?

I have seen several of your postings on the Access part of the forum.....you know 100 times more than I do.....but I can sell what I make. The way it is now going the income from Access is exceeding insurance. But although you know a lot more about Access than me you prefer a job, fine, but don't expect the gov't to make up for what you wan't but are not prepared to chase.

The bottom line is your life will not change because Obama gets into office. Well, it might change in a negative sense as their is a political movement in America to cater for the losers.....and that usually means the losers suffer.......and opportunity is presented to the chasers and winners.

Alisa, we could not do without people like you. I wish you the best and sincerely hope you step forward and can see the top of the ladder as opposed to the bottom rung of the ladder......no loss to me as there are 1000000 to replace you.

You have lots of knowledge, lots of persista (e?)nce (Col, are you there on the spell checker) can argue etc and etc. Try turning those skills into money and being able to work how you want to work.

Your manager, Your gov't and even Microsoft are not responsible for your position and your life

 

[Alisa]

There are always people to hire because most people don't want to work for themselves.

HOWEVER, most people who choose the "work for someone route" are happy to acknowledge that there is a trade off.

You appear to want all that comes with a job and all that comes with working for yourself and hope the gov't will deliver it for you.

The Obama deal is a con job. Obama, Bush and McCain = All the same.

Do you really believe that you can have the same health system as a bloke who earns a million year?

I have seen several of your postings on the Access part of the forum.....you know 100 times more than I do.....but I can sell what I make. The way it is now going the income from Access is exceeding insurance. But although you know a lot more about Access than me you prefer a job, fine, but don't expect the gov't to make up for what you wan't but are not prepared to chase.

The bottom line is your life will not change because Obama gets into office. Well, it might change in a negative sense as their is a political movement in America to cater for the losers.....and that usually means the losers suffer.......and opportunity is presented to the chasers and winners.

Alisa, we could not do without people like you. I wish you the best and sincerely hope you step forward and can see the top of the ladder as opposed to the bottom rung of the ladder......no loss to me as there are 1000000 to replace you.

You have lots of knowledge, lots of persista (e?)nce (Col, are you there on the spell checker) can argue etc and etc. Try turning those skills into money and being able to work how you want to work.

Your manager, Your gov't and even Microsoft are not responsible for your position and your life

Let me get this straight. According to you, in my country people who work for 40 hours a week, people who make an average salary, do not deserve to have access to BASIC AFFORDABLE medical care, even though they do have access to that care in your country. According to you, only the very top earners should be allowed to go to the doctor when they are sick, to be treated for injuries, to be able to take their children to the dentist and the eye doctor, etc etc. The rest of us average folk should just suck it up and suffer. Well you would fit right in here.

 

[Mike375]

Let me get this straight. According to you, in my country people who work for 40 hours a week, people who make an average salary, do not deserve to have access to BASIC AFFORDABLE medical care, even though they do have access to that care in your country. According to you, only the very top earners should be allowed to go to the doctor when they are sick, to be treated for injuries, to be able to take their children to the dentist and the eye doctor, etc etc. The rest of us average folk should just suck it up and suffer. Well you would fit right in here.

Alisa,

You are choosing to miss the point.

No one has a right to anything. Rights granted to one person or one group will usually mean Rights being removed from another person or group.

And from your post...The rest of us average folk should just suck it up and suffer. Yes and because you have chosen to be an "average folk". I know of no law in the US of A that mandates you to be "average folk". I know of no law in the US of A that legislates that you have to stay in your job.

As a side note, do you really think "it is fair" for you to expect people like me to subsidise people like you?

 

[Rich]

Alisa,


As a side note, do you really think "it is fair" for you to expect people like me to subsidise people like you?

You already do in Australia, now stop complaining and wake up to the fact that it's the likes of Alisa that provide the bulk of the wealth in this world

 

[ShaneMan]

I checked the rates, and it's kind of funny. If I took a pay cut(SMALL pay cut) I would qualify for medicaid, welfare and food stamps and I'd be making more money with more benefits.

I'd love all 3 but I'm keeping myself afloat right now and don't need it. I'm one of those statistics of uninsured, but with medical bills nothing major, just recently diagnosed with Asthma and I'm in my mid 20's (Asthma isn't a result of anything in the Marines, so they aren't paying). So, when I listen to Sean Hannity talk about how someone has to pull themselves up by their bootstraps I like to politely chuckle and shake my head.

I think there is a strong possibility of your generation not understanding what it means to "pull yourself up by your boot straps" or if they do they don't want to do it. Your generation seems to want it and want it now. Don't pay their dues, just give it to me and give it to me now. I think most folks, older than you, would tell you that their story is really not much different than the one your telling now. We had our hard times, wondered if we were going to make it, but we did and we still do. There is no doubt that the older you get and the longer you work, things start getting better and easier, but you have to stay with it and pull yourself up by your boot straps. You might think you would like "all 3" but if you accept any one of the 3 you will be in the same position your in now, 20 years from now. You'll adapt to what to do with the Asthma too. I was born with Asthma, in the 50's, it almost killed me, when I was a baby but I get by with it. Hang in there Sherbuck and don't get your head down. Things won't always stay the way they are now, if you keep pulling on your boot straps, I promise. Same speech my Dad gave me many times and he turned out to be right.

Don't mean this as a know it all telling you something. Just mean it as one old coot who's on the road you are, just quite aways further than you are and trying to encourage a young buck to stay plowing the course.

Shane

 

[Rich]

 

[Rich]

 

[Mike375]

You already do in Australia, now stop complaining and wake up to the fact that it's the likes of Alisa that provide the bulk of the wealth in this world

I agree And they like to remain that way. I could not do without them BUT they will always be there.

I am just trying to encourage Alisa to move to a position where she does not depend on gov't or employers.....

Alisa do you like being fodder.....fodder is food

 

[Rabbie]

This thread highlights that the human mind seems like things to be either black or white even when the reality is grey.

I suspect nobody here actually wants to live in a society with no government and no social security safety net and equally they do not want to live in a society where the government controls everything even down to the food you eat and the clothes you wear.

The debate is really about the amount of government and taxation there should be.

In the UK no serious politician would suggest not having a National Health Service for everyone. The political debate centres round the amount of funding and the length of the queues for treatment. There is also private healthcare if you want to pay for it through insurance but that is mainly as a means to get quicker treatment. I for one would prefer to have major surgery done under the NHS if only because the majority of private clinics do not have the facilities for Intensive Care if some unforeseen complication occurs.

Lets face the facts. Both Obama and McCain will not be absolute disasters if elected on November 4. They will both be an improvement on GWB so not lets get overexcited about this.

Looking at the latest polls it seems likely Osama will win comfortably so lets hope the democratic decision is respected and no idiot with a gun attempts to oppose the will of the people

 

[Rich]

I'm taking lessons from Rich and Colin as to how to be real irritating and irrational. So, since you put up with their pointless posts, you're gonna have to put up with mine.

idiot

 

[texzen123]

Re: I now think B Obama is NOT the best choice for America and the world

This is really scary but true - - - - -
You couldn't be a new lawyer with 143 days of experience and become a partner in my law firm.
You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143 days of experience of being a surgeon.
You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't join the military and become a colonel after a 143 days of experience.
You couldn't get a job as a reporter and become the nightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.


But....

'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of "experience" in the Senate.
That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work "experience," Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World .... 143 days. We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, but after 143 days, that's all it is - a start. AND, strangely, a large sector of the American public is okay with this and campaigning for him. We
wouldn't accept this in our own line of work, yet some are okay with this for the President of the United States of America ?
Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol!

 

[Rich]

Re: I now think B Obama is NOT the best choice for America and the world

This is really scary but true - - - - -
You couldn't be a new lawyer with 143 days of experience and become a partner in my law firm.
You couldn't get a job at McDonalds and become district manager after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't become chief of surgery after 143days ofexperience of being a surgeon.
You couldn't get a job as a teacher and be the superintendent after 143 days of experience.
You couldn't join the military and become acolonelafter a 143 days of experience.
You couldn't get a job as a reporter and becomethenightly news anchor after 143 days of experience.


But....

'From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as aUnitedState Senator, to the time he announced he was forminga Presidentialexploratory committee, he logged 143 days of "experience"in the Senate.
That's how many days the Senate wasactually in session andworking.
After 143 days of work "experience," Obamabelieved he wasready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World .... 143days.We all have to start somewhere. The senate is a good start, butafter 143 days, that's all it is - astart.AND, strangely, a large sector of the American publicisokay with this and campaigning for him. We
wouldn't accept this in our ownline of work, yet some are okay with this for thePresident of the UnitedStates of America ?
Come on folks, we are not voting for the next American Idol!

If you're gonna paste emails you could at least check their accuracy

Sen. John McCain clearly has served longer as a public servant than Sen. Barack Obama. No one would dispute that. But even a quick look at this e-mail reveals how misleading it is. The comparison gives the number of years McCain has been a congressman and claims to present the number of days Obama has been physically present in the Senate chamber. McCain certainly hasn't been physically present in the Congress every day for 26 years. (Technically, he's been a member of Congress for more than 25 years, not quite 26 yet.)

Also, the count given for Obama's working days is wrong. It doesn't count any days for Obama since he announced a presidential exploratory committee, and it's unclear whether the count is correct for any measure. One conservative blogger told us she got the number from "some young guy in the Senate."

We'll Count This, But Not That
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This e-mail fails to include any time in the U.S. Senate since Obama announced he would form an exploratory committee to seek the presidency. It does include, however, the time McCain spent seeking the presidency, both in 2000 and in this election. It also overlooks the time Obama spent in the Illinois state Senate. (And the e-mail misspells Obama's first name.)

The earliest, dated authored reference containing the "143 days" number is a May 2008 post by Cheri Jacobus of the right-leaning blog The Loft. The post reads:

Jacobus: From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.​

Wrong. That's not the number of days the Senate was in session. From the time Obama was sworn in on Jan. 3, 2005, until the day he announced his exploratory committee on Jan. 16, 2007, the Senate was in session 304 days, according to the Secretary of the Senate's official count.

When we called to ask Jacobus how she arrived at her count, she called back and left a message saying the number was provided by "some young guy in the Senate" who gave her an "advanced calendar," and that he was looking at the number of days the Senate was "actually voting." Jacobus also said that she is "not a journalist" and that it has "been quite a while" since she wrote the post. We called and left a message with Jacobus in an attempt to follow-up for more details, but we have yet to hear back.

Senators do indeed work on days that they may not actually vote. For example, Obama's trip to Afghanistan and Iraq earlier this year was made in his capacity as a senator. The press was forced to settle for Department of Defense footage and photos, since they weren't allowed to join him during his congressional delegation trip.

It's also worth noting that Obama has been in the Senate and has voted since January of last year, but the e-mail leaves out that information in its bogus comparison.

What About John McCain?
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