Gun laws do they work

A lot of people who celebrate by firing guns into the air have learned that what goes up must come down, that is an irresponsible way to handle a firearm. Only a complete idiot would fire a gun into the air with thoughts that it is safer then firing at a target.

Hey Fifty....Old buddy, I agree shooting in the air is not a smart idea and hate to admit I have done it more times than I care to remember, but let me tell you about one time I was glad I did. I was deer hunting in Vermont and got lost. I fired a shot from my 30/06 and my camp heard it but they still did not know where I was. So I fired a shot from my .38 with tracers, and they did the same thing I was able to make it back just at dusk. Another I am not proud of I fired a .22 into the ground right in front of myself. There was a rock under the grass and it bounce back and hit me in the belly. It didn’t penetrate the skin, but enough to teach me never to do that again. I was very young then also. Now of all the guns I have had the one that was the most fun was a little .22 Remington nylon 66. 15 shot as fast as you can pull the trigger. My friend had one also and we would go down the dump and shoot rats.
 
With that logic, farmers should be able to shoot kids that steal crops from their farms. Do you think that is justifiable?

A kid stealing an apple is one, do you think myself and my two friends should had been shot. When I was 16 and got my first car the three of us would go to an apple orchard and fill a basket with apples, yes we ate a few but the rest we threw at each other. Worse than that, after we had our basket full we would go around to the low hanging apples and not pick them but just take a bite out of them and leave them hanging. I think if the famer who is trying to make a living has shot me he would probable been right. However, He used salt shots back then (late 50’s)
 
IMO the fewer guns that are out there the better. The statistic that frightens me the most is the one for the number of fatal shootings by children who have used their parent's legally held weapons to accidently kill someone. If people must have guns in their homes they should make sure that they are stored in a safe place so children can't find and use them.

People who don't do this should be held legally responsible for any misuse of the gun.
 
Rabbie said:
IMO the fewer guns that are out there the better. The statistic that frightens me the most is the one for the number of fatal shootings by children who have used their parent's legally held weapons to accidently kill someone. If people must have guns in their homes they should make sure that they are stored in a safe place so children can't find and use them.

People who don't do this should be held legally responsible for any misuse of the gun.
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They typically are legally responsible. This was a case that happened recently here. A child accidentally shot his sister. The gun was not stored safely. The parents were charged.
 
Vassago said:
They typically are legally responsible. This was a case that happened recently here. A child accidentally shot his sister. The gun was not stored safely. The parents were charged.
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Its no secret that I am un
 
Vassago said:
They typically are legally responsible. This was a case that happened recently here. A child accidentally shot his sister. The gun was not stored safely. The parents were charged.
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It’s no secret that I am unapologetic gun fan, but I back that comment 100%. What I would like to respectfully ask, do you back that for other areas of society also?
 
Dick7Access said:
I think if the famer who is trying to make a living has shot me he would probable been right.
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If this doesn't make you reconsider your position, nothing will. You are agreeing that the policy or viewpoint you adhere to would have been responsible for your serious injury or death.

Vassago said:
They typically are legally responsible. This was a case that happened recently here. A child accidentally shot his sister. The gun was not stored safely. The parents were charged.
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I'd like to see exactly how typically they are charged. I've read a lot of articles about police considering to charge the parent or parents in these cases, but have read few articles where the charges are confirmed. I think there is often the sentiment that "they have already been punished enough".
 
Not been here for a while but having read this thread all I can say is that if I were a criminal in America I would go armed, I would shoot first and steal after, might as well risk ending on death row as being shot by trigger happy gunslingers.

Brian
 
Indeed the flaming botles of gasoline was the extreme sample for North America (but not all countries). No one has lobbed Molatovs at out home but there is a familt member in my home who is of frail health, so I would use what I feel is appropriate force if I felt someone within the compound is there to threaten and not because there is a reason to be on my property. That is a reality. This is why there are warning signs and fences.

When you fire a gun in the air you do not know where the projectile will land which would be a good reason for you to not be in command of a fire arm.

And indeed if some kids were stealing from my farm they will be delt with immediately, if their parents or gransparents did no tell them that they deserve a cartridge of rock salt or pepper corns fired at their butts then they will learn that themselves. Only a urban person would not consider that these thugs are stealing food from our table and our lively hood by taking our produce.

Adam Caramon said:
Sure, if a gang is attacking your house with Molotov cocktails, then it is a different situation. I guess I'm just not taking the same leap that you and Dick are. Has anyone ever thrown a Molotov cocktail at your house? I mean, I are we discussing reality or the most extreme situations possible?

Just for the record, if Godzilla attacks your home, you have every right to fire your gun at him.



Agreed. I guess I would fire a gun in the air to scare someone, if all previous steps had failed, before I would intentionally shoot the person.



With that logic, farmers should be able to shoot kids that steal crops from their farms. Do you think that is justifiable?

Shooting a gun at another human being should be the absolute last resort, IMO.
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You would also get a butt fill of pepper corns if you hassle the cows or chase the livestock... just saying...

Dick7Access said:
With that logic, farmers should be able to shoot kids that steal crops from their farms. Do you think that is justifiable?

A kid stealing an apple is one, do you think myself and my two friends should had been shot. When I was 16 and got my first car the three of us would go to an apple orchard and fill a basket with apples, yes we ate a few but the rest we threw at each other. Worse than that, after we had our basket full we would go around to the low hanging apples and not pick them but just take a bite out of them and leave them hanging. I think if the famer who is trying to make a living has shot me he would probable been right. However, He used salt shots back then (late 50’s)
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Adam Caramon said:
If this doesn't make you reconsider your position, nothing will. You are agreeing that the policy or viewpoint you adhere to would have been responsible for your serious injury or death.



You see Adam, as the old saying goes, “That’s what makes the world go round”. You see it as my policy or view point would have been responsible for my serious injury or death. I see it as my irresponsible behavior back then would have been responsible for my serious injury or death. Until we start making people more responsible for their actions nothing is going to change. (Just out of curiosity, are you for or against the death penalty, I am sure you can figure out my position) Now I know that this a stretch, but suppose that this farmer had invested everything he had, to buy this apple orchard, and he was just making it finically, and now on top of not enough rain, bugs, sick kids, hard work, and little sleep he has to deal with irresponsible rich kids who think it’s a big joke to ruin his crops, do you think he might have been inclined to fire at them. Buy the way he had called the cops many times, but we knew that when the cops were at a big accident that we were safe. We also knew that we could see his house and barn and hear his truck coming.
Someone either on this tread or another one someone said that old people are set in their ways. I am sure for some that is true. For me it is just the other way around. The older I get the more my views change. I use to give big parties with lots of booze. Who would have been responsible if someone at my party went home and run into another car and killed innocent people?

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[s more conclusive evidence then trying to take a photograph of someone who is showing agression towards you and your family.

A security guard at the Family Research Council's headquarters in Washington, D.C. is being hailed as a hero after he stopped a gunman posing as an intern, taking a bullet in the arm before wrestling the suspect to the ground.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/15/guard-at-family-research-council-shot/?test=latestnews#ixzz23fynOIyR

Poor guy forgot to take out his cell phone and take pictures.
 
Dick7Access said:
Poor guy forgot to take out his cell phone and take pictures.
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Wow, now you're comparing someone damaging your property to someone attacking you with a gun.

However your brain works so that these two situations are comparable is completely foreign to me.
 
Adam Caramon said:
Wow, now you're comparing someone damaging your property to someone attacking you with a gun.

However your brain works so that these two situations are comparable is completely foreign to me.
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I don't know what you are talking about the last post has nothng to do with my property. what are you talking about?
 
So here is a realistic scenareo - two drunken (or perhaps high) thugs under the age of majority are chucking stones and breaking every single window in your home in the middle of the night and yelling all sorts of obscenities towards your home... so you go and get your camera and take a picture of the two as evidence even though you can not see their faces because of their hoodies, and the picture will be grainy and blurred because it is dark and you are trying to dodge hurled rocks... and the police will take how long to get there?

Extra bonus points if you can guess how long the police will hold the two underage thugs if they do happen to get there to aprehend them, how severe their punishment will be, what their mood will be towards you for having them arrested, and what will they do in retaliation four days later when they are back on the streets.
(Give away point if you carefully read the last bit)
 
Fifty2One said:
So here is a realistic scenareo - two drunken (or perhaps high) thugs under the age of majority are chucking stones and breaking every single window in your home in the middle of the night and yelling all sorts of obscenities towards your home
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Clearly the answer is to gun them down.
 
Fifty2One said:
So here is a realistic scenareo - two drunken (or perhaps high) thugs under the age of majority are chucking stones and breaking every single window in your home in the middle of the night and yelling all sorts of obscenities towards your home... so you go and get your camera and take a picture of the two as evidence even though you can not see their faces because of their hoodies, and the picture will be grainy and blurred because it is dark and you are trying to dodge hurled rocks... and the police will take how long to get there?

Extra bonus points if you can guess how long the police will hold the two underage thugs if they do happen to get there to aprehend them, how severe their punishment will be, what their mood will be towards you for having them arrested, and what will they do in retaliation four days later when they are back on the streets.
(Give away point if you carefully read the last bit)
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Fifty......Your almost as evil as me:D
 
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