I'm amazed!

conception_native_0123 said:
i don't think i've ever seen you write a long drawn out thing like Pat or steve R do, Richard.
Click to expand...

I've offered many short essays in the technical sections, Adam. Not to mention in the Watercooler thread about atheism.
 
Pat Hartman said:
Here's some examples that will help you to understand.

SHARIA LAW — LIST OF KEY RULES — What Is Sharia Law? (billionbibles.org)
Click to expand...
@Pat Hartman If you like that site, you might also like this one: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

1637523688238.png


It keeps a tally of the terrorist attacks, the death count, "Atrocity of the week" and so on. There are also many articles that cover the various aspects of Islam. The following one is Islam vs Christianity: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/jesus-muhammad.aspx
 
The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)

CAIR is a sketchy organization that partners with a lot of school districts in California. The school districts accept their donations and turn a blind eye to the allegations regarding CAIR.
 
NauticalGent said:
What that tells me is that both sides are being intentionally clueless and just want to be obstructive to true world peace.
Click to expand...
But why should their top priority be world Peace?
 
conception_native_0123 said:
there IS NO religion of peace. even jesus said this:
Click to expand...

I agree.

The over-arching, end-all, and be-all, is submission to the Creator.

Peace for us: He gives believers His spirit, and, when they do well in their efforts to walk in that spirit, the result should bring a certain amount of supernatural peace to their own self.
Peace with others: Ideally, believers who are in harmony (note - I didn't say compromise-at-all-costs, I said harmony, which is necessarily predicated on at least some amount of agreement and synchrony) also strive to be at peace with each other, and can often succeed if they are following the leading of the spirit within them
Peace with the world: Uhh...not necessarily, no. "Peace" between devoted believers and just any other entity, group, force, movement, belief system, government, or person on the globe is not a given by any means, nor a big thrust of what the point is. Doc and I disagree on a number of things, but I think it is fair to describe our interactions as "peaceful", by and large, and with a concerted effort on both of our part, so there are still ways of finding certain amounts of peace between disagreeing parties.

It all comes down to definitions, there are as many definitions for "Love", for example, as there are people on the globe.

On the one extreme, some think Loving people means truth is literally non-existent: "Your truth", "My truth,", and such concepts that defy even the most basic secular foundations of science and frankly, even philosophy.

On the other extreme, Christ's "followers" have too often emphasized people's sinfulness OVER the love we are to show them - a love which doesn't excuse or enable wrong, but also doesn't fail to thoroughly involve the mercy and grace we are to show people and which Christ showed us.

Then, in the last 20-30 years, the pendulum has swung a bit far in the other directions. Many modern churches have gone a bit too far, terrified at discussing 90% of Biblical teachings due to their craving for the approval of secular society, so they emphasize the 10% that is widely accepted.

I would like to say, that in our regular daily lives, Christians who are earnestly trying to do the deal, ought to be able to find more peace than they otherwise would, between them and the world at large.

However, even that is dependent on region, governments, and current times. It's easy to say "Christianity ought to bring peace", but tell that to the woman being tortured in a shipping container in Eritrea right now because of her faith, or the early Christians who were tortured by the tens of thousands while holding firm to their faith and joy and the literal result was the explosion of church growth - DURING this persecution. (Talk about not compromising your theology to attract 'seekers').

Clearly peace is not always the expected outcome of even the most sincere, spirit-filled devoted believers.
 
Pat Hartman said:
You might want to read the Koran and Shariah Law. See if that changes your mind any. Originally Mohamad thought of us all as "people of the book" since Islam like Christianity is also based on the Old Testament. But as Mohamad failed to convince the Jews and Christians that he was the new prophet and they refused to accept him, his mood changed and we became the enemy. The Koran is tough to read. It isn't chronological or grouped by topic. It is composed of Surah's that are organized by their length so the shortest are first and they get progressively longer. I think that is because they force children to memorize it and so it is easier to start with the shorter passages.

The Koran advocates killing people who won't submit to Islam. They also hold slaves and practice polygamy. But unlike the Mormons who put no cap on the number of wives, Islam only permits 4. But the wives don't have any say if the man wants to add to his haram. Islam also encourages temporary "marriages". Sort of like paying for a call girl for the week but sanctioned by the Koran and again, the wife has no say in the matter. Go to any country where Shariah law is imposed and see if you can find a Christian church - any denomination.. How about a Temple? In your dreams. Jews are the ultimate enemy. How about a peaceful community of Amish or an Ashram? Non believers are barely tolerated for business reasons. They are not welcome as residents let alone citizens. In fact, Muslims from other countries aren't even welcome as citizens. Kuwait did have one Catholic church. That was to keep their Indian servant class quiet. In Kuwaiti households, most of the Indian servants slept in a corner of the kitchen or garage on a mat if they were not lucky enough to work in a household with servant quarters. So, they were very happy to work for an American or British family since we treated them like people rather than furniture.

Speaking about Jews being the enemy, one of my best friends is from a family whose whole village was expelled from Iraq in the 1930's. His family moved to China where my friend was born. Then to Australia, Canada, and finally the US. He's spent the last 40 years as an import consultant working as a go-between for American companies needing to source batteries from China using the Mandarin he learned as a small child.

The first nanny we hired turned out to be an escaped sex slave. She was only with us for three weeks and we all loved her when she came to me to tell me she had to leave. I spent a week dragging her around town to embassies, lawyers, and government offices. There wasn't a thing I could do for her. The Indian embassy would issue her a new passport and transportation home although I would have paid for that myself if I had to. Short of that, she had to return to the Kuwaiti who had bought her from her father. Clearly, she would end up on the street if she went home (If you want to call it that), so she went back to her owner. We were too poor to buy her outright from her owner and we were not in a position to just leave when we'd only been there for less than a month and the US wouldn't let me sponsor her for a US visa because we were living in Kuwait. so I couldn't send her home to my mother.

I spent a year living in Kuwait and met a lot of friendly people. Mostly men. Kuwaiti women were homebound unless they were shopping and so there were no social opportunities to meet them although I did meet a number of Lebanese and Egyptian women at the bridge club. Their husbands were businessmen or diplomats. But I also learned a lot about Islam and their beliefs

We are now teaching our children Critical Race Theory so they learn to hate each other but Islam has a big head start. The Madras' in poor Muslim countries funded by rich Muslims from around the world teach the boys nothing but the Koran and hatred for the West. Just enough to make them semi-literate. They are easier to turn into suicide bombers that way. They don't bother teaching the girls. The girls aren't worth teaching in their estimation.

My choice - welcome immigrants who come because they want to become Americans but no others. If Refugees in war-torn areas won't be accepted by the surrounding countries where they share the same customs, religion, and language, why should we take them when they start out with hatred in their hearts like Ilhan Omar. No good comes of this. We rescued her from a refugee camp, housed her, fed her, clothed her, educated her, elected her to Congress, and she absolutely HATEs us. Think about this clearly. None of the stable countries of the region will accept refugees. Why? Morocco is a pretty nice place. I've been there and would love to go back. Sound, safe, surely able to afford to integrate at least some refugees. Why won't they accept Somali or Syrian refugees? What do they know that we don't know?
Click to expand...
For a minute there I thought I clicked on the wrong forum. Why would we need or wish to bring the topic of religion and beliefs into this group. Can't we leave that to other dedicated forums, nothing good will come of it; it will inevitable devide us....
 
Jason Lee Hayes said:
For a minute there I thought I clicked on the wrong forum. Why would we need or wish to bring the topic of religion and beliefs into this group. Can't we leave that to other dedicated forums, nothing good will come of it; it will inevitable devide us....
Click to expand...
You're in the WaterCooler...this is where these type of conversations take place. As Pat has suggested, you can either choose not to enter or simply place this portion of AWF on ignore.
 
Sorry Pat, wasn't aimed at you directly.. I posted a general statement that happened to link to your message. You are quite right; it should be directed to the author of the thread. i just feel like you any one can say anything they like however I joined Access World to to talk about MS Access and anything relevant to it. Religion, Faith and belief unless I'm loosing the plot has nothing to do with MS Access.
 
Must apologise, ignorance is no excuse; I clicked new posts and didn't realise this Water-cooled place is dedicated for off topic conversation. I will go stand in the corner and give my self a good telling off. 😌. Still puzzled alittle why you would have such a place in a forum though or how the forum would benefit from it but each to their own...👍
 
Jason Lee Hayes said:
Must apologise, ignorance is no excuse; I clicked new posts and didn't realise this Water-cooled place is dedicated for off topic conversation. I will go stand in the corner and give my self a good telling off. 😌. Still puzzled alittle why you would have such a place in a forum though or how the forum would benefit from it but each to their own...👍
Click to expand...
Lots of us like to discuss politics, and many other topics on here. It is commonplace for most old school forums. If you scroll through the list of sections, you will see there are many non-Access forum sections.

Edit: This forum is customisable so you just see what forum sections you want to see.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Jason Lee Hayes
TV License sorted..
Replies
7
Views
388
Isaac
Isaac
D
Where and what were you doing on 9/11/2001?
2
Replies
31
Views
2,427
AccessBlaster
A
K
Not verified? Not welcomed.
Replies
11
Views
638
Isaac
Isaac
D
Shoei Ohtani
2
Replies
39
Views
1,860
The_Doc_Man
The_Doc_Man
K
Will China Beat US?
Replies
2
Views
209
Isaac
Isaac

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top Bottom