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[Brianwarnock]

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Does anyone actually use this?

Never even noticed it

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

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east/west ... damn no wonder a search for east didn't find it

Brian

 

[dan-cat]

If you read the end of the story, and read the prophecies, which include the details of Jesus return, it is very obvious that grace has come to an end and a time for judgement has begun.

How is it obvious?

A submissive populace is not prophecied about.

Well broadcasting the desired effects of the rhetoric defeats the point a little don't you think?

 

[ShaneMan]

How is it obvious?

Hey Dan, I think I worded this wrong. What I meant to say is that there are prophecies in the Bible that foretell a coming day of the day of grace ending and the time of judgement will begin, so I was saying these prophecies obvious indicate a time of grace coming to an end. Hope I explained it better this time.

Well broadcasting the desired effects of the rhetoric defeats the point a little don't you think?

Perhaps it does, but if Biblical prophecy comes true then the rhetoric really won't matter much at that point.

 

[Rich]

Hey Dan, I think I worded this wrong. What I meant to say is that there are prophecies in the Bible that foretell a coming day of the day of grace ending and the time of judgement will begin, so I was saying these prophecies obvious indicate a time of grace coming to an end. Hope I explained it better this time.

You mean like during WW1, WW11, etc., etc how did God decide who should live or die during any one of those prophecies?

 

[dan-cat]

Hey Dan, I think I worded this wrong. What I meant to say is that there are prophecies in the Bible that foretell a coming day of the day of grace ending and the time of judgement will begin, so I was saying these prophecies obvious indicate a time of grace coming to an end. Hope I explained it better this time.

Ah, yes I know how obvious the bible makes the times of judgment.

Do you have any idea how many occasions in history these times have been wrongly predicted? I would say countless.

Perhaps it does, but if Biblical prophecy comes true then the rhetoric really won't matter much at that point.

Ah yes the if factor. The factor that has defeated many predictors of the future.

 

[ShaneMan]

You mean like during WW1, WW11, etc., etc how did God decide who should live or die during any one of those prophecies?

WW1 and WWII were not prophecied. The prophecies that I'm referring to, have not happened yet, but if these prophecies do come true then you will know the war it refers to when it shows up.

Once again, God does not look down the sights of a gun and pull the trigger. Man does that. What kind of a God would you want (if you were to want one?) One that steps in and does not allow man to make choices?

 

[dan-cat]

You mean like during WW1, WW11, etc., etc how did God decide who should live or die during any one of those prophecies?

If God is omniscient then how can He make a decision?

If He knows that Rich will have a cup of tea at 19:30 how can He decide that there will be a power-cut at 19:25?

 

[dan-cat]

WW1 and WWII were not prophecied. The prophecies that I'm referring to, have not happened yet, but if these prophecies do come true then you will know the war it refers to when it shows up.

You haven't referred to any of them yet

 

[Rich]

Well for starters, room, National Forest, big roads, hunting, chile, cheap housing (in some parts), the list goes on.

Most of you live in caravans on trailer parks surely
We've got national parks here too, the difference is of course that ours aren't polluted or exploited anymore

 

[ShaneMan]

Ah, yes I know how obvious the bible makes the times of judgment.

Do you have any idea how many occasions in history these times have been wrongly predicted? I would say countless.

and I would agree. Countless. However, the problem is with those that predict. You only have to look at one verse that says, "no one knows the day or the hour" to know that if someone is foolish enough to predict when then they have already went against what the Bible itself says. The closest the Bible comes to letting you know anything is to say, "just as when the fig tree begins to bud you know spring is on the way so will it be when the Son of Man returns." I believe what is being said there is we will be able to tell by whats going on around us and that looks to know time has to be getting close but to know the exact time is foolish to even say.

Ah yes the if factor. The factor that has defeated many predictors of the future.

Just being respectful to how someone chooses to believe. There are several here who have made it clear they don't believe any of this, so I felt the respectful thing to do is say "if." I can not mandate my beliefs on anyone else nor do I want to. I have an experience that has caused me to believe. Those are my beliefs. It is not up to me to cause anyone else to get on board with me in those beliefs. As far as the "factor that has been defeated" see above answer think I covered it there.

 

[ShaneMan]

You haven't referred to any of them yet

Good catch. I mean the war(s) prophecied about that have not happened yet. Thanks Dan.

 

[Rich]

If God is omniscient then how can He make a decision?

If He knows that Rich will have a cup of tea at 19:30 how can He decide that there will be a power-cut at 19:25?

He or SHE would be wrong on several accounts
A/ Rich doesn't drink tea
B/ Rich doesn't use a electric kettle so a power cut would have no effect
C/Rich would probably be in somebody elses house drinking a free cup of coffee at that time of day

 

[ShaneMan]

If God is omniscient then how can He make a decision?

If He knows that Rich will have a cup of tea at 19:30 how can He decide that there will be a power-cut at 19:25?

Or can He make a rock so big He can't pick it up.

 

[Matt Greatorex]

He or SHE would be wrong on several accounts
A/ Rich doesn't drink tea
B/ Rich doesn't use a electric kettle so a power cut would have no effect
C/Rich would probably be in somebody elses house drinking a free cup of coffee at that time of day

Ah yes, but can't certain passages be interpreted in such a way as to imply - in ever so slightly an obscure way - that, come the day of judgement, the lion shall lay down with the lamb and Rich shall start the use of electrical tea preparation, for his own consumption, within his own domicile?

I admit to being no scholar, but I'm sure that's in there somewhere.

 

[dan-cat]

A/ Rich doesn't drink tea

now we have proof that your view is not representative of the British public

B/ Rich doesn't use a electric kettle so a power cut would have no effect

Local power company won't service your trailer then

C/Rich would probably be in somebody elses house drinking a free cup of coffee at that time of day

Well without any power I'm not surprised you frequent the local shelter during the colder months

 

[Rich]

WW1 and WWII were not prophecied. The prophecies that I'm referring to, have not happened yet, but if these prophecies do come true then you will know the war it refers to when it shows up.

You mean the prophecies that foretell the end of life on earth for man, well for 20,000,000 or so that was true during one war, just how much evidence do you need?

 

[Rich]

now we have proof that your view is not representative of the British public

Actually I've already posted the statistics to prove that I am

Well without any power I'm not surprised you frequent the local shelter during the colder months

Where did I say I didn't have any power?

 

[ShaneMan]

You mean the prophecies that foretell the end of life on earth for man, well for 20,000,000 or so that was true during one war, just how much evidence do you need?

No. I'm referring the prophecies of the wars(s) that we occur that begin a different era of life for man on earth. The end doesn't happen for 1000 years after that. How much more evidence do I need? 2/3 of the earths population wiped out.

 

[ShaneMan]

Ah yes, but can't certain passages be interpreted in such a way as to imply - in ever so slightly an obscure way - that, come the day of judgement, the lion shall lay down with the lamb and Rich shall start the use of electrical tea preparation, for his own consumption, within his own domicile?

I admit to being no scholar, but I'm sure that's in there somewhere.

It is in there! I just read it last night.