...the Myth Buster
- Jun 29, 2001
Maybe not schools, but it's not like Canada is immune to gun crimes.
Sorry, I thought by saying 'a lot of' rather than 'all' was explicit enough. So no, I did not mean all Americans who support the Second Amendment were idiots. But there seem to be those who see it as 'i gots me a gun an' i ain't givin' it away, no way, sir'. I thought 'frickin' was a great phrase to use.Kraj said:Hmmm... well to be fair SJ wasn't explicit as to whether he meant everyone who fervently suports the Second Ammendment is an idiot or rather that there simlpy are a lot of idiots who do.
Rich said:Sadly neither is the UK, however we do attempt to control it instead of hiding behind some outdated scrap of nonsense
Well I hate to spoil your day but we have something called the Magna Carta, it's about 500 yrs older than your scrapjsanders said:A scrap of nonsense; that is arguably the most important and substantial document in the world.
Yeah, I know the UK has it's own fair share of come crimes as well. I'm just explaining to Rich that Canada's not some magic world of non-violence, where people just spend all their time making snow angels.SJ McAbney said:Matty, the UK isn't exempt from gun crimes either. We have our fair share, although such acts are usually the domain of gang warfare, whether it be small urban gangs or citywide organised crime factions. Loners and violent fantasists don't tend to factor, especially since the case of Thomas Hamilton in Dunblane which caused our gun restrictions (relevent mostly to gun clubs) to come even further under scrutiny and subsequent restriction.
From Wikipedia: Only one third of Canadian murders involve firearms compared to two thirds in the States. What's Canada doing differently?
Ah, the Magna Carta, isn’t that the Latin document extolling the virtues of the Church and God.Rich said:Well I hate to spoil your day but we have something called the Magna Carta, it's about 500 yrs older than your scrap
I'd say loners and fanatacists are probably a bigger problem here, but just like in the UK the vast majority of gun crime in the U.S. is between gang members. So perhaps the disparity in gun voilence between our countries has less to do with the access to guns and more to do with how prevalent the gang presence is.SJ McAbney said:We have our fair share, although such acts are usually the domain of gang warfare, whether it be small urban gangs or citywide organised crime factions. Loners and violent fantasists don't tend to factor,
You flatter yourself yet again, you've only had any influence since the end of WW11, and since Bush fu*#ed up, you've none left at all, and nobody including you has answered my question regarding the civil liberties of children, your constitution obviously doesn't protect them.jsanders said:And, if for no other reason, the US Constitution is the more important, simply because the US itself has had more influence in the last 150 years or so.
Oh?Rich said:You flatter yourself yet again, you've only had any influence since the end of WW11, .
"They worship some kind of god" - yes, I believe it's the Christian flavour.ColinEssex said:In this weeks American school killings episode, the killings are in an Amish community.ref (I'd never heard of it before)
Apparently they don't like modern things and do everything to avoid it, they live this weird 18th century existence. They worship some kind of god, so presumably are some kind of crank religious cult.
We have them here too, bragging about the size of their equipment and arsenals, I guess they think it makes them tough.Ksan said:I do balk a bit when I come across people on the forums boards of online games digressing into what firearms they own, how many clips they have etc like its some big badge of honour or something!
Yes, I think that is the cult they belong toAdeptus said:"They worship some kind of god" - yes, I believe it's the Christian flavour.
there are so many weird and wacko sects and cults in the USA its hard to keep track.I'm surprised you haven't heard of them before...
I raised the murder of children issue, because its happened twice in the USA within a week. (and loads of times previously) plus, I questioned if the benign culture was shunning modern things until they needed them, thus raising the double standard question. In my book, they either shun modern things or they don't, you can't have it both ways when it suits.dan-cat said:Why are you using the murder of children to attack a benign culture?
so raising a topic about children being killed is attention seeking? how oddAre you that desperate for attention?
Thanks, Col.ColinEssex said:Mile-O, your post was excellent, it doesn't surprise me that the Yanks picked up on the "frickin" bit (which was not misleading at all) and you'll notice totally ignored all your questions.
None.What psychological checks are there in place for one seeking to obtain a gun?
1 hour to 2 to 3 days, depending on where purchased. Also criminal record comes into play here. Certain crimes, i.e. domestic violence = no legal gun ownership rights.What's the turnaround in application to receipt?
No.Do you have to give reasons why you need one?
No.Is there a set period where re-assessment of either the weapon or the person is necessary?
I believe by the State.Are gun ownership records federal knowledge, or is governed on a state by state basis?
Over 18 or parents' consent.What's the legal age for gun ownership?
No.Is there a maximum amount of weaponry that one can own?
Depends, for example 9mm = $13.00+ for fifty.How much do bullets cost?
The idea is to make it difficult, it can never be impossible, sure there are places and people in Liverpool where I can get a gun, but I don't know them and would be afraid of getting more than ripped off if I enquired.Secondly, you can always get guns no matter what, even in the UK the blackmarket exists. So if such means exist, why bother at all? A register of legal firearms doesn't stop a bullet from an illegal firearm.
Well put and I think I can see where you are coming from on most of the arguments you've made. May I point out that gun ownership spans numerous groups from hunters and sportsmen to casual gun owners to the other end of the spectrum like the owners of illegal guns like assault guns etc. In order to come up with changes in gun laws I feel like you need to consider them separately.Ksan said:... I'm not even American and even I can see the depth of the issue. It cannot be solved, it's part of the cultural identity and so no one would put their political life on the line by pushing too far to solve it.
Oh, certainly. They do need considered separately.KenHigg said:May I point out that gun ownership spans numerous groups from hunters and sportsmen to casual gun owners to the other end of the spectrum like the owners of illegal guns like assault guns etc. In order to come up with changes in gun laws I feel like you need to consider them separately.
What do you think?