Should the civilian population of all countries be disarmed? (1 Viewer)

[Mike375]

Should only police and military be armed?

Also, do you think a person should be able to defend themself (legally) or should this be left to gov't bodies? Does someone who breaks into your house or steals your car have rights?

 

[Brianwarnock]

I think that the carrying of arms outside of the home or shooting clubs should be restricted to a few carefully vetted and licensed groups. However I think that we should all be able to have arms in our homes and br free to use them against anybody that breaks in, the mere act of forced entry being enough justification.

Of course the loop holes and and dangers in such a philosophy are many.

The last question is the easiest the answer is a definite no.

Brian

 

[ASherbuck]

I don't believe that anyone who knowingly commits a felony has rights.

I believe if someone breaks into your house you have a right not to let them leave it. I wish that every adult with a clean record (no felonies) had the right to carry and conceal firearms, that it was awarded to them on their 18th birthday much like buying pornography, cigarettes, lottery tickets, joining the military, taxes and adult trials.

I also support the Megan's Law, and the laws that make the lives of sex offenders even more difficult. I have 0 sympathy or tolerance for them.

 

[ColinEssex]

Should only police and military be armed?

You'll have a hard job convincing people of this - expecially Americans. They love to go round bearing arms, it's in the constitution that it's ok to walk round like a latter day Wyatt Earp.

Mike - How would your plan work in places like Afghanistan where they make guns in small villages. I've been to a few of these villages and they make everything from a Colt 45 to an M16 sub machine gun with superb workmanship, all easily purchased for comparitively little money. Or are you only talking about "civilised" countries.

Col

 

[Rabbie]

I also support the Megan's Law, and the laws that make the lives of sex offenders even more difficult. I have 0 sympathy or tolerance for them.

I do not defend paedophiles in any way but there is a danger with Megan's Law that it forces sex offenders to vanish off the radar and therefore be more difficult to check up on. Thus adding to their danger rather than reducing it.

 

[Brianwarnock]

No opinion then Col?, just another attack on Americans.

Brian

 

[ColinEssex]

No opinion then Col?, just another attack on Americans.

Brian

I'm not sure Mike has thought through the logistics of making a ban happen.

Col

 

[Steve R.]

However I think that we should all be able to have arms in our homes and be free to use them against anybody that breaks in, the mere act of forced entry being enough justification.

An overlooked aspect of this debate is that the police do NOT have an explicit duty to protect you as an individual. The police are there to remove the criminals from society. Anyway, think of police response time, by the time they get to you it would probably be tool late anyway. Ultimately, you need to prepared to protect yourself.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I'm not sure Mike has thought through the logistics of making a ban happen.

Col

I'll take that as a no.

Brian

 

[ColinEssex]

I'll take that as a no.

Brian

Take it any way you like, I'm not bovvered. I'm merely pointing out the logistical problems of such a bizarre idea.

Col

 

[Mike375]

Take it any way you like, I'm not bovvered. I'm merely pointing out the logistical problems of such a bizarre idea.

Col

You might think the idea is bizarre but the various anti gun groups don't think it is a bizarre idea.

 

[Brianwarnock]

I'm merely pointing out the logistical problems of such a bizarre idea.

Col

And where did you do that other than make a comment about Afghanistan?

I don't think anybody thinks it would be easy or even possible, but that doesn't stop you having an opinion, but I suppose it is easier to just have a dig at the Americans, no facts needed there.

Brian

 

[Rich]

I think that the carrying of arms outside of the home or shooting clubs should be restricted to a few carefully vetted and licensed groups. However I think that we should all be able to have arms in our homes and br free to use them against anybody that breaks in, the mere act of forced entry being enough justification.

Brian

Would you really be able to live with the fact that you say shot and killed a 12yr old breaking into your home? The reality is that if we were all armed then so would those who break in, not a very pleasant thought surely?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Rich , 1st I would like to thank you for selectively quotting me, leaving out this bit.

Of course the loop holes and and dangers in such a philosophy are many.

As to your question I would only know after it happened, what I do know is that I would prefer to do that than have him bash me on the head with a 90%+ chance of leaving me blind.

Brian

 

[Rabbie]

Should only police and military be armed?

Also, do you think a person should be able to defend themself (legally) or should this be left to gov't bodies? Does someone who breaks into your house or steals your car have rights?

To take these points in order.

Of course the military should be armed. In general the majority of police do not need arms and should not be armed. Armed police should only be deployed when the circumstances justify it.

Civilians should only be using weapons which are held legally and for legitimate purposes. There should be tight controls on hand guns and other easily concealed weapons

People should be allowed to defend themselves where there is a clear threat. this response however should be proportionate to the level of threat. I do not think it is justifiable to shoot someone who is leaving your premises even if they have removed some of your belongings. The fact they are leaving shows they are not a threat to you.

Do criminals have rights ? Yes thay have the right to a fair trial and should not be victims of mob law. Two wrongs do not make a right.

 

[Rich]

Rich , 1st I would like to thank you for selectively quotting me, leaving out this bit.

Brian

Was it out of context?

As to your question I would only know after it happened, what I do know is that I would prefer to do that than have him bash me on the head with a 90%+ chance of leaving me blind.

You don't strike me as a News of the Screws reader Bri

 

[ColinEssex]

And where did you do that other than make a comment about Afghanistan?

I don't think anybody thinks it would be easy or even possible, but that doesn't stop you having an opinion, but I suppose it is easier to just have a dig at the Americans, no facts needed there.

Brian

Ok I'll give you an opinion.

I wish we could all have guns. I wish we could buy them at Argos. I would love to get that overwhelming sense of happiness when a bullet I fire saps the life out of a living thing.

Who cares if it's someones daughter or son or father. I would love to shoot someone like they did or do in Dodge City.

Col

 

[Brianwarnock]

Was it out of context?




You don't strike me as a News of the Screws reader Bri

I think the bit that you left out was important as it acknowledged the issue of the dangers of the approach of having guns anywhere.

I didn't follow your last sentence, but to clarify mine, if it helps, I have been advised to avoid all trauma to my head as I would probably suffer total retinal detachment in my one remaining useful eye.

Brian

 

[Brianwarnock]

Ok I'll give you an opinion.

I wish we could all have guns. I wish we could buy them at Argos. I would love to get that overwhelming sense of happiness when a bullet I fire saps the life out of a living thing.

Who cares if it's someones daughter or son or father. I would love to shoot someone like they did or do in Dodge City.

Col

I frequently didn't agree with you but hey that's part of the fun in a sensible discussion, but now you have lost your marbles somewhere.

Brian

 

[Rich]

I didn't follow your last sentence, but to clarify mine, if it helps, I have been advised to avoid all trauma to my head as I would probably suffer total retinal detachment in my one remaining useful eye.

Brian

But the odds of happening to you Bri are what, Millions to one against? and of course you do have the legal right to defend your home and property, even with a baseball bat which you just happen to store beside the front door