Technical History - Words or terms we use

Some day in the not too distant future people will wonder why the little rectangular things they store their files on are called "disks" when they are not even round.

Technically they are round it's the plastic covering that's square, all types of floppy disks have a flexible 'plastic' that contains the data.

Hard drives do as well but they are not flexible and have multiple layers or platers.

I trust you've never taken a disk appart -tsk not a techie then :p

It is already quite ironic that now the floppy has gone, the lowest density storage media are called "Compact Disks".

If you want to know why it's because they were named after the compact cassette or cassette tape as it was more commenly know (developed by Panasonic iirc - ah nope Phillips just checked!) as the digital replacement of the tape. (Though you can have digital tapes of course!).
 
What is a "broken record", you know, one "stuck in a groove"?

A broken record come from "you sound like a broken record", if you have a scratch on a record the needle can jump back and constantly replay a part of the record so it always plays the same thing over and over again, hence someone who constantly repeats the same thing (normally in a derogatory way).

Stuck in a groove? - I'm not 100% sure that's the saying, don't you mean stuck in a rut? derived from, I think, getting stuck in a ditch and not being able to get out presumably goes back to apply to any form of transport?? Applied now to not being able to get out of a current situation.
 
Here is one for our overseas Cousins. Non Australian.

What is a "Thunder Box"

BTW This is certainly one thread for the mature generation.

I'll have a go (without an internet search of course) in the UK and I think the US maybe elsewhere maybe a "Boom Box" ? or for our younger generation the coolest thing you could have in the 80's a massive very loud tape player, typically powered by about 8 D cell batteries carried around on your shoulder :cool: or not whatever............:p
 
Here is one for our overseas Cousins. Non Australian.

What is a "Thunder Box"

BTW This is certainly one thread for the mature generation.

When I was young the "Thunder Box" was that brick building down the yard.

Brian
 
It was "stuck in a rut" the rut being caused by the passage of many wagons on first roads.

"In the groove" means that you are moving smoothly and focused, as per the needle on a record.

Brian
 
There was a saying that the thunderbox was about 100 yards to far away in winter and 100 yards too close in summer.

Where I come from the thunderbox was in a wooden building. Indeed there is a saying about brick ones. Someone or something of robust stature would be referred to as being "built like a brick ****house".
 
Technically they are round it's the plastic covering that's square, all types of floppy disks have a flexible 'plastic' that contains the data.

I was referring to the now ubiqituous flash drive which is still called a disk.

I trust you've never taken a disk appart -tsk not a techie then :p
Very much a techie. I have pulled apart (and rebuilt) more things than most people. I did component level servicing of electonic power equipment for many years. I have designed and built several pieces of electronic equipment too.

If you want to know why it's because they were named after the compact cassette or cassette tape as it was more commenly know (developed by Panasonic iirc - ah nope Phillips just checked!) as the digital replacement of the tape. (Though you can have digital tapes of course!).

The cassette was not a digital device. It was a very simple analog linear tape. There was a version called Digital Autio Tape (DAT) that came out about the same time as CDs and never gained market traction.

I know where the Compact name comes from having been around when cassettes were introduced. Do you remember the 8 track cartridge that they largely replaced?

It is just ironic that the CD is the least compact of all modern storage media.
 
I was referring to the now ubiqituous flash drive which is still called a disk.

Ah sorry didn't make the connection between small rectangular things and disk meaning a flash drive :confused: yep they are not techincally drives but a disk and a drive can be viewed as different devices.

I have designed and built several pieces of electronic equipment too.

Nice! anything interesting?

The cassette was not a digital device. It was a very simple analog linear tape. There was a version called Digital Autio Tape (DAT) that came out about the same time as CDs and never gained market traction.

I don't belive I did say that - I was probably presuming that DV tape was also a know (and sometimes still used) tech, though yes not strickly a digital audio tape but none the less a digital tape.

Do you remember the 8 track cartridge that they largely replaced?

Thankfully (just about) no :p my first audio device was a cheap(er) Sony Walkman rip off - the size of a brick.
 
I thought a flash drive was nicely laid with tarmac and well kept trees and shrubs to either side!
 
Since it was mentioned in a previous post; what is the meaning of the word analog we use?

For example: analog as opposed to digital; what is an analog Voltage?

Chris.
 
Analog means continuously variable. Digital means representation by a series of discrete values.

Compact Cassette is recorded by continuously varying the amplitude of a carrier frequency (generally known as the "bias") and as such is an analog technology.
 
Just for fun, but a curious observation…

Analogs vary continuously; Digitals step.
Analog watches tick; digital watches don’t.
(By the way, the internet is a wonderful source of knowledge but the things we find are not always correct. If we do a search on watches ticking we might find a reference to Rolex. Some of the information about Rolex watches is incorrect and a look at the official Rolex site will correct those errors.)

The question might then arise; what’s the difference between an analog and digital watch? The answer might very well be…it depends on how we watch it.

Let’s say a digital watch has a timing mechanism which is timed by a piece of quartz. The manufacture sizes the quartz to vibrate at 32768 Hz. That frequency is then divided down to a 1 second pulse and the pulse is then used to display digits. People would regard that as a digital watch.

Now let’s say the same 1 second pulse was used to drive a stepper motor which moved hands over a dial. People would regard that as an analog watch.

So, in this case, both watches have the same digital timing mechanism and both watches step their display of time. Both watches are digital, but one is regarded as digital and the other is regarded as analog.

A mechanical watch is no different. A mechanical watch is timed by a swinging mass driven by a spring, similar to a pendulum driven by gravity. The swing causes an escapement mechanism to release energy on a regular bases. The regular base is a pulse to drive the display of the watch, the hands over a dial.

I both cases the, electronic watch and mechanical watch, step the display due to a pulse. The pulse has a discrete value and hence it is digital. Both watches are digital but one would be regarded as analog and the other regarded as digital.

The difference between analog and digital here is how the user perceives the difference. They are both digital because they are both operating from discrete values.

Let’s have a look at Voltage…

A Voltage exists in an electrical circuit.
An electrical circuit has capacitance, so let’s give it some, 1 Farad.
The Voltage on a capacitor changes with electrical charge, so let’s give it some, 1 Coulomb.
A Coulomb is 1 Ampere per second.
An amp per second is approx. 6x10^18 electrons.
The electron is regarded as indivisible.

So, the transfer of 1 Coulomb of charge to/from a 1 Farad capacitor changes the Voltage on that capacitor by 1 Volt. That 1 Volt is made up of ~6x10^18 steps. The steps are discrete values because the electron is indivisible.

Discrete values of electrons make the Voltage in an electrical circuit digital.
We can change the size of the capacitor, we can change the Coulombs transferred but we can not change the charge on an indivisible electron. The Voltage remains a discrete value, the Voltage remains digital.

The word analog appears to be a decision by the perceiver to ignore the detail and make the assumption that things can change with infinite resolution. It is a practical assumption with some merit, but it is not real.

At the large scale it may remain a practical assumption but as electrical circuits become smaller it won’t. By now we may be talking about capacitors with 1x10^-15 Farads (Do the math; we could measure the Voltage step change.) I don’t know, but things are getting smaller. As things get smaller the ingress of 1 electron may become significant.

The internet is a wonderful source of knowledge but the things we find are not always correct. In this instance, I needed Rolex for the tick. :)

Chris.
 
We if you want to get that fussy, everything in the Universe is digital.

Quantum Mechanics is based around discrete steps in all properties of nature. Planck Time and Planck Distance are the pixel sizes of SpaceTime.
 
We if you want to get that fussy, everything in the Universe is digital.

Galaxiom

I believe your understanding to be correct.

But what if I raised my hand with the palm towards me and hence the other side to Chris. Then if I folded all my fingers forward except the middle one would that be digital.

I still thought it was analogue with just the appearance of digital.
 
Just had to add this based on post #1 and #2. Bug in terms of computers (and programming).

see image at http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/File:H96566k.jpg

From then on, when anything went wrong with a computer, we said it had bugs in it.
On the removal of a 2-inch-long moth from the Harvard Mark II experimental computer at Harvard in 1947, as quoted in Time (16 April 1984). Note that the term "bug" was in use by people in several technical disciplines long before that; Thomas Edison used the term, and it was common AT&T parlance in the 1920s to refer to bugs in the wires. Hopper is credited with popularizing the term's use in the computing field.
from http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Grace_Hopper

I was fortunate enough to attend 2 presentations by Admiral Hopper years ago - quite a lady.
 
Concerning analog vs. digital: A while ago I ordered a book from one of the popular online stores. The book arrived in an envelope with a sticker describing the content as "analog medium".
 
An "analog medium".

A fortune-teller who continuously changes their predictions. ;)

Chris.
 
Interestingly that one came up the other day. I've always thought it wasn't an acronym for anything in particular and we just use it because, well, Spam, the spiced ham variety, is disgusting. :D

wow, wash you mouth with soap. Spam is great fried with eggs. Also visit the spam museum in Austin, MN.

 
So "Texting" abbreviation (e.g. LOL) is new? Think again.
Was in Gleenwood Springs, CO at the Train museum. They had an operational Telegraph.
They had the very large dictionaries of the equal of Texting references used in the Telegraph. Bandwidth was very limited and ... very expensive. So, operators used up to a hundred-thousand different shortcuts. Same as a Texter does today.

Nothing is new, see short list at: http://www.kent-engineers.com/abbreviations.htm
very small example includes:
B4 - Before
C - Yes, Correct
CFM - Confirm; I confirm
CK - Ckeck
GA - Go ahead; Good Afternoon
GB - Good bye, God Bless
GD - Good
GE - Good Evening
GESS - Guess
GG - Going
GM - Good morning
GN - Good night
GND - Ground
GUD - Good
GV - Give
GVG - Giving
XYL - Wife
YL - Young lady
YR - Year
30 - I have no more to send
73 - Best Regards
88 - Love and kisses

FU - (note: look that one up yourself)
 
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