ShaneMan
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Your welcomeMatt Greatorex said:I think so. Thanks for that..
Matt Greatorex said:But faith is able to exist entirely without the presence of logic, isn't it? Logic suggests proof and if something need be proven before someone can have faith in it, where is the trust? While faith isn't based on a lack of logic, I do think that the two can, indeed must, often be mutually exclusive.
If one believes that God created the universe and eveything in it from scratch, there isn't really a logical way to explain how He did it. Whatever method was used would have been so far beyond any human conceptions of 'logical' as to be outside the accepted definition of the word.
Faith without logic, able to exist? Off the top of my head, I think "no." At least not my faith in God. I believe there is proof of His exisistance. I think logic can get me to that point. I also have faith and trust that He is real. I think there are logical explainations to God creating but also think that one man reads the explaination and says, makes sense. Another reads it and says "hog wash." Same is true of evolution. There are probably just as many books on one way being true as there are books on how it can't be. Somewhere along the way a man makes a choice as to what he wants to believe.
Matt Greatorex said:Also, one may have a family member who is suffering tremendous pain in spite of having lived a good life. One may also believe in a kind and merciful God. The fact that Logic - as humans understand it - can't really reconcile the belief with the physical evidence, doesn't mean that one's faith disappears
True, but I do think this can have an explaination also. The Bible says that the rain falls on the just as well as the unjust. No one is immuned from good and bad things happening to them. Whether they are good or bad doesn't factor in. Somehow religion has turned God into a magic wand or a jennie in a bottle. If I'm good everything good happens to me and not bad. If I'm bad the other way around. This is not taught in the Bible. Jesus said take up your cross and follow me. Doesn't sound like I'm immuned from pain, suffering or bad things happening to me.