Uk Road Tax Increase

[Golfer]

Have any other UK users discovered how much extra they will have pay for their road tax next year ?

Mine will go up from £170.00 this year to £260.00 next year and then the following year £425.00 !!??!!

I visited this site http://www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk click vehicle enquiry, enter your registration no and car make, this will tell you the registered Co2 emissions.

Then go this site http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/629/629/7293011.stm
and look up how much more this wretched government is going to extort from you.

 

[Pauldohert]

Yes still £0.

Walking, cycling and a little car are no more costly.

Pay you money and take your choice - or perhaps take your choice and pay your money.

What you pay is entirely up to you.

 

[Fifty2One]

I love the way the fare structure works so that once you reach a certain level of income it plateaus so those people driving a huge Range Rover or high end car can stop worrying about fuel economy or pollution.


They have a DRIVE CLEAN here in Ontario Canada which is a huge pain in the butt for rural vehicle owners. The loopholes in the system make is a huge joke. If your vehicle fails a sniffer test then you have to repair it, scrap it or get a exemption by paying up to the $450 limit for the repairs. The initial test costs you $35, retest costs you $17.50. So basically all you have to pay is $500 to keep driving a smoke belching polluter.
OR if you are in rural land just dont bother renewing your license at all for a farm vehicle and make sure you drive on the shoulder and only use the vehicle to travel to or to access agricultural land which you own lease or work.
OR like a lot of suburban people are doing, just dont pay for the vehicle registration for vehicle that is a shure looser. Just drive until you are caught and pay $200 for a lapsed license, second offense is $300, if you are a gambler and figure you wont get stopped twice in a year you will better than break even.

 

[Golfer]

Good for you Paul, unfortunately the vast majority of motorists in this country are presently & blissfully unaware of how badly they will be affected if these plans go ahead.

Imagine the chaos in the used car market when everyone tries to unload their middle of the range motors ( i only drive a 1.8 Vauxhall & look at my increase ! ) Not to mention the chaos in the new car market.

Yet again it is going to be the poorer working class families who will bear the brunt !

 

[Pauldohert]

Good for you Paul, unfortunately the vast majority of motorists in this country are presently & blissfully unaware of how badly they will be affected if these plans go ahead.

Imagine the chaos in the used car market when everyone tries to unload their middle of the range motors ( i only drive a 1.8 Vauxhall & look at my increase ! ) Not to mention the chaos in the new car market.

Very true - but its been a while coming and If you own a 1.8 Vauxhall already does it not go up to 270? ie you don't pay first year tax. of 425? not too excessive.

AS for the poorest being hardest hit, I doubt it - those in the middle maybe, as I say though they have a choice. The rich aren't going to feel it at all - but thats a wider taxation question.

 

[Rabbie]

It's all a bit of window dressing. A gallon of petrol produces the same amount of CO2 regardless of which engine it is burnt in. They should put the "green" taxes on fuel not on the vehicle if they really want to reduce CO2 emissions. But like all politicians they go for the headline grabbing initiatives even when they are not effective.

 

[Brianwarnock]

How true Rabbie, we only own a car because of my wife's disability, in the last 2 years we did a total of 3700 miles, it would hardly matter if it were a gas guzzler or a mini as far as its carbon footprint.

Brian

 

[Pauldohert]

How true Rabbie, we only own a car because of my wife's disability, in the last 2 years we did a total of 3700 miles, it would hardly matter if it were a gas guzzler or a mini as far as its carbon footprint.

Brian

Have you not got , or can you not get a car efficient enough not to warrant an increase?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Have you not got , or can you not get a car efficient enough not to warrant an increase?

I was not complaining about an increase but agreeing with Rabbie that the tax should be on the fuel ie car use, and not on car ownership, but I drive a Corolla 1.6.

Brian

 

[Pauldohert]

I was not complaining about an increase but agreeing with Rabbie that the tax should be on the fuel ie car use, and not on car ownership, but I drive a Corolla 1.6.

Brian

But then someone who needs to drive like yourself , or someone who has the smallest of cars would have to pay more - even though they are doing their best to be as economical as they could be?

Whereas with this method - they/you (maybe) don't.

 

[Brianwarnock]

But then someone who needs to drive like yourself , or someone who has the smallest of cars would have to pay more - even though they are doing their best to be as economical as they could be?

Whereas with this method - they/you (maybe) don't.

I'm not following this argument. If I paid no road tax but the tax on fuel went up then a low mileage small car owner would pay less tax, alarge car owner doing the same number of miles would pay more than me, but, perhaps correctly, less than a small car owner doing say 50,000 miles a year. Isn't that more green and equitable?

Brian

 

[Fifty2One]

Tax by fuel consumption is the only fair way to dole it out. On nice days between the end and beginning of winter I use my moped which gives me 150 miles to an imperial gallon of gasoline and 2 ounces of 30W oil. If I have to do any long travelling or hauling I take my car or my pickup truck. That is a lot easier on the planet that taking a car or truck for every trip.

 

[ColinEssex]

If a person has a disability and is on the higher level of DLA, road tax is free.

Col

 

[Rabbie]

Unfortunately for many people who live in the country there is no alternative to having a car. Public transport is much worse now than it was outside of the big cities so people have no other means of getting to/from work.

 

[Sum Guy]

What if you dive one of the latest generation of hybrid cars? Next to nil pollution, 100 miles per gallon etc.

Could you not petition for an exemption as well?
After all, isn't this what the government wants you to drive?

 

[Brianwarnock]

If a person has a disability and is on the higher level of DLA, road tax is free.

Col

Agreed, I was not talking about my own situation as I said , I was merely using it to illustrate a point. Not being a leftie I care about other people not just my own situation.

Brian

 

[Fifty2One]

Unfortunately for many people who live in the country there is no alternative to having a car. Public transport is much worse now than it was outside of the big cities so people have no other means of getting to/from work.

No one is FORCED to drive a vehicle. I changed my work so that I could enjoy more ME time by finding employment close to my home way out in the middle of the country. I can pedal, moped or drive to work but I chose to moped most of the time and pedal for recreation on the weekends. I am using the two hours I used to use for commuting in a more stress free and planet kinder way.

What if you dive one of the latest generation of hybrid cars? Next to nil pollution, 100 miles per gallon etc.
Could you not petition for an exemption as well?
After all, isn't this what the government wants you to drive?

New cars are HUGE pollution sources if you take a look at the pollution generated by the process of recycling the old vehicle into a new one as opposed to repairing an existing vehicle and using it more efficiently.

 

[Rabbie]

No one is FORCED to drive a vehicle. I changed my work so that I could enjoy more ME time by finding employment close to my home way out in the middle of the country. I can pedal, moped or drive to work but I chose to moped most of the time and pedal for recreation on the weekends. I am using the two hours I used to use for commuting in a more stress free and planet kinder way.



New cars are HUGE pollution sources if you take a look at the pollution generated by the process of recycling the old vehicle into a new one as opposed to repairing an existing vehicle and using it more efficiently.

Agreed but Southern England has a very high traffis density so in many places using a bike or moped is to take your life in your hands.

 

[Rich]

They should put the "green" taxes on fuel not on the vehicle if they really want to reduce CO2 emissions.

The so called green tax is already on fuel, this so called extra "green" tax is nothing more than an excuse for Brown to issue another double whammy by jumping on the bandwagon and raising the extra tax revenue that he needs to pay for his **** ups on our economy!
Green tax my ass, it's just a misuse of a current trendy term

 

[statsman]

How about a "no drive" week in the UK
When the government gets zero fuel taxes rolling in, they might change their mind (I doubt it but they might).

Reminds me of tobacco taxes. The governments keep raising them saying they're trying to stop kids from starting etc.
If they're that concerned, why not just ban the weed? Then no one would start. They have the authority because its a known disease causer.
Of course there are those billions they get from tobacco taxes.