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[Kraj]

Not quite, the UK's puppet on a string PM supports... but I get your drift

Funny how when it comes to the bad things the UK is responsible for, it's all the doing of Bliar and the average citizen is blameless. Yet when it comes to the bad things the U.S. is responsible for, the entirey citizenry is to blame.

 

[nomorehype]

Funny how when it comes to the bad things the UK is responsible for, it's all the doing of Bliar and the average citizen is blameless. Yet when it comes to the bad things the U.S. is responsible for, the entirey citizenry is to blame.

Not really. Brits supporting Bliar are fewer than they used to be, and joe public is beginning to appreciate that hes not the good world citizen he thought he was. Some Brits (depends on which newspaper you read how many) now feel embarrassed to be from England - rightly so, since we are becoming another state of US. Do you know anyone embarrassed to be American? All about patriotic values, I guess, but I would personally imagine that even if such a yank existed, he would be somewhat scared to express his discontent given the fervent adoration for the flag and all who fly it.

 

[jsanders]

J's version differs wildly from the history I've read, just a short quote from wikipedia



Guess what America is alarmed at the illegals crossing from Mexico.
Wht's that saying " what goes around comes around"

Brian

Not really what your talking about is politics. The fact is the Anglo and Spanish (Latino) seltlers sought indipendence and won it in a war.

That I belive, will show up, even in your "historically accurate" English history books

 

[Rich]

then I guess we'll see ya when you get here.

Hell we don't want to go there, your streets are too much like the battle grounds in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Is that why you went there ?

 

[Rich]

I say blockade um, lets see who hurts the most.

Remind us again why Bush had to withdraw his "steel embargo"?

 

[Brianwarnock]

Funny how when it comes to the bad things the UK is responsible for, it's all the doing of Bliar and the average citizen is blameless. Yet when it comes to the bad things the U.S. is responsible for, the entirey citizenry is to blame.

As has been pointed out on other threads the way Bliar and Bush are elected are totally different. The whole nation gets a say in who is president, a handful of voters in the safest of Labour seats get to vote for or against Bliar.

That said i believe we all vote for the lesser of the evils in our eyes and as it effects us when we cast our vote for a politician.

Brian

 

[Kraj]

Do you know anyone embarrassed to be American?

Yep.

Perhaps if you took some time to ask Americans about how they think instead of telling them how they think, you might learn a thing or two.

As has been pointed out on other threads the way Bliar and Bush are elected are totally different. The whole nation gets a say in who is president, a handful of voters in the safest of Labour seats get to vote for or against Bliar.

This isn't as different as you think. Yes, the entire nation gets to vote for President but because of the elctoral college only a certain subset of votes actually matter. The so-called swing states are the ones who elect the President. Those of us in states that traditionally vote one way or the other don't really make a difference (as long as we maintain the status quo. One could conceivably organize an uprising against the dominant political party but it's not likely and no one is trying). Furthermore, if you vote for a candidate other than the one who wins your state's electoral votes, then your vote becomes irrelevant. For example, my home state of Illinois has consistently voted for the Democratic candidate for two or three decades now. In the 2004 election, %55 of the population voted for Kerry and therefore all the electoral votes for Illinois went to Kerry. The flip side of that is that the 2,346,000 people who voted for George Bush basically had their votes nullified. Since the popular vote on the national level is irrelevant, those 2 million people basically had no impact - and therefore no say - whatsoever on the outcome of the election.

 

[Rich]

Do you know anyone embarrassed to be American?

Yes the American foreign office (or whatever they call it )
Americans now have to say they're Canadians when going abroad (that's "overseas" in American).
Bloody disgraceful act on Canada if you ask me

 

[KenHigg]

Perhaps if you took some time to ask Americans about how they think instead of telling them how they think, you might learn a thing or two.

 

[KenHigg]

This isn't as different as you think. Yes, the entire nation gets to vote for President but because of the elctoral college only a certain subset of votes actually matter. The so-called swing states are the ones who elect the President. Those of us in states that traditionally vote one way or the other don't really make a difference. Furthermore, if you vote for a candidate other than the one who wins your state's electoral votes, then your vote becomes irrelevant. For example, my home state of Illinois has consistently voted for the Democratic candidate for two or three decades now. In the 2004 election, %55 of the population voted for Kerry and therefore all the electoral votes for Illinois went to Kerry. The flip side of that is that the 2,346,000 people who voted for George Bush basically had their votes nullified. Since the popular vote on the national level is irrelevant, those 2 million people basically had no impact - and therefore no say - whatsoever on the outcome of the election.

We basically vote for someone who has pledged to vote for a presidential candidate...

 

[nomorehype]

Yep.

No, I asked if you knew anyone - unless of course you personally know the owner of that site?

Perhaps if you took some time to ask Americans about how they think instead of telling them how they think, you might learn a thing or two.

Okay, then, lets play your game. Im asking you if you're ashamed to be an American

 

[KenHigg]

Okay, then, lets play your game. Im asking you if you're ashamed to be an American

At times, yes but overall - no.

 

[Kraj]

We basically vote for someone who has pledged to vote for a presidential candidate...

Who technically is supposed to vote for whoever they think is best regardless of what the idiot voters say, but never does because of the horrible abuse of power it would be...even though that's what the Constitution says they're supposed to do.

 

[Rich]

At times, yes but overall - no.

Mmmmm, we've got our work cut out with this one

 

[KenHigg]

Who technically is supposed to vote for whoever they think is best regardless of what the idiot voters say, but never does because of the horrible abuse of power it would be...even though that's what the Constitution says they're supposed to do.

Hum... How could you Google that to see if anyone's ever done that; voted for some other than they originally supported..?

(I'm sure if it ever happened we were supposed to learn about it in school but that was many years ago... )

 

[nomorehype]

At times, yes but overall - no.

Then how can you complain about my sweeping generalisations about yanks and their support of a corrupt government if they actually apply to you?

 

[KenHigg]

Mmmmm, we've got our work cut out with this one

Focus on the gap

 

[KenHigg]

Then how can you complain about my sweeping generalisations about yanks and their support of a corrupt government if they actually apply to you?

I'm not complaining... I don't care what a jack-ass like you says about me or my country. Lose the attitude and maybe someone will listen... But at this point in time, I kind of doubt it...

 

[Kraj]

No, I asked if you knew anyone - unless of course you personally know the owner of that site?

The owner? No. I do personally know people who posted their pictures, though.

Okay, then, lets play your game. Im asking you if you're ashamed to be an American

I'll play along. I wouldn't go so far as to say I'm ashamed to be American. After all, I didn't do anything to be American, I was just born here. Why should I feel personally ashamed for the actions of people whom I cannot control? I am, however, disgusted by the behavior of many of my countrymen, most notably the current administration and those who voted for him for no real reason. (Note my usage of the phrase "real reason". Those who have legitimate beefs with the Democratic party have my blessing to vote for Bush, even though I disagree.)

As far as shame goes, the only thing I personally feel a sense of shame about is my own failure to be less wasteful.

Hum... How could you Google that to see if anyone's ever done that; voted for some other than they originally supported..?

Ask and you shal receive.

 

[nomorehype]

... a jack-ass like you ...

Lol you people are just too much fun. Whine on and on about this ignorant Brit throwing insults, and in the process you insult him. Can anyone spell hypocrite?