What investment strategy you are more comfortable with?

Which Of These Real-Estate Related Investment Strategies Would You Prefer and Why?

  • Acquire, Primary Occupy (Yourself), Renovate & Resell (i.e. "FLIP") 1 at a time every 1-3 Years

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What fits you better if you were having to choose between these two general directions, and why? Fits meaning your own opinion, personality, tolerance for risk, giving you peace, making you feel secure, actual mathematical arguments accepted too!

Don't overthink it - just if you had to go one of these 2 directions - what would you consider and why? Or have you already? Experience? Testimonies?

Feel free to vote and then discuss or comment
 
I don't invest in real estate. My grandmother chose the "acquire for later resale" but the down side is an unmovable property that NOBODY wants. I've got one now that she couldn't sell in her lifetime - and she died in 1951. Dad and his brothers couldn't sell it and so it fell to me. I've tried and I can't sell it. As a result, I don't care to invest in property at all.
 
Depends on where you are and the tax implications. In the uk, long term rental is now heavily taxed whilst buy as primary residence, do up and sell can be treated as a taxable gain. Partly depends on how long before you sell. I got caught out some years ago, bought a house did it up and sold 3 years later due to a change in job. Hmrc treated it as a taxable gain as I had previously bought and sold other properties as primary residence

Best option in the uk at the moment is to have a property company and buy a property and rent as holiday accommodation. Use an agent to manage cleaning and maintenance if you don’t want the hassle

a property company will give you access to funding etc but you still need circa 25% for initial deposit.
 
@The_Doc_Man Yes, that makes sense - a bad experience will leave a taste in the mouth!

@CJ_London Also good advice, thanks. Taxes are a huge factor for sure.
Here, you can escape practically ALL taxes as long as you reinvest the money in a new primary occupied residence - and actually currently it's even better than that, but it depends on politics and new presidents/legislators, so who knows how long it will last.

I think a lot about personality, peace/happiness (what creates it for you), and security feelings too when investing.

I think I lean towards the multiple rentals, but have recently met some people who have made a LOT doing the other way. They didn't mind moving every couple years I guess. Interesting options.

We have the property management companies here too. The ones I have briefly used once in Texas in the past did not provide much benefit - basically they acted as a Fence, intercepting phone calls but not really doing much of anything - they did provide one benefit: In the event of a need to evict a tenant or sue, they provided some degree of coverage on the first few 'phases', if needed, which is appealing. But that was about it.

Can you do things like AirBnB in the UK? EXTREMELY popular here right now - so much so that too many are doing it and rates are not quite as good as they once were, but quite attractive in the sense that the AirBnB company provides multiple types of insurance (liability etc), and does a lot of handling of customers, as well as provides a platform where both Owners and Renters can be rated - so you can only rent to people of a certain reputation, for example.
 
Airbnb - yes, also lots of holiday rental companies, booking.com and similar
 
Real estate. Are you thinking only of private dwellings or including also commercial and industrial real estate?

I used to have a portfolio of houses but got to the stage where I sold them all and put the money into the stock market. With stock assets, there are no ongoing taxes on the fact that you are holding the asset. There are no repairs. There are no problem tenants where you can spend a lot of time in courts or tribunals. If you need money, you can sell a parcel of shares, but not sell off one bedroom. Brokerage on buying/selling stock is minimal for and the market generally is very liquid so you can buy/sell the same day.

Those are my reasons for holding stock. Property rings the bell for some others, mainly because there is something tangible. I've learned to avoid arguing which is best. I know which is best for me.
 
Having a portfolio of single family houses is like having a full time job. Having the same monetary investment in a 10-20 unit building is stressless if you pay a management company to handle the details. You manage the managers instead of dealing with the tenants. Never lose sight of the Monopoly strategy of building hotels as soon as possible. Upsize for profit and ease.

Excellent advice. But I have to curate my set of options to my personal capabilities. (Read: My lack of Money!)

At this point, it is doubtful that I can qualify for, or that I would be smart & persistent enough to pursue the biz process required to qualify for, the ownership of a multi-unit property.

Thus the renting of my first home and living in the second I think is my best move right now - really the only one open to me.

I do see your point about multiple properties quickly adding up to a LOT of headaches! Good comment.

In all honesty, the most likely scenario is I only end up with 2 properties total, with a possibility if I am lucky and disciplined that I end up with 3, with about 1.75 of them paid off.

Plus, I suspect they may all end up in this one city.

Not too bad headache wise, hopefully. And they will be in a form that I cannot stupidly liquidate in a heartbeat, like a 401k where the balance starts to look tempting when you're going through a temporary hard time.
 
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But I'm glad you said that, I'm going to keep that in mind. Perhaps when one is paid off, I can sell it and buy a 2- or 4-plex little apartment building. I lived in a little 10-plex in san diego in 2003/4, it seemed pretty efficient. The owner would come himself to fix things, ha ha, I remember our bedroom door didn't close b/c of warped wood, this landlord came over himself with a saw and a file and hacked off another 1/8th inch from the bottom of the door. I was like seriously ?? But only paying $1k/mo in SD, (even in 2003), I was lucky and didn't complain...much.

I would be more classy than that ;)
 
Real estate. Are you thinking only of private dwellings or including also commercial and industrial real estate?

I used to have a portfolio of houses but got to the stage where I sold them all and put the money into the stock market. With stock assets, there are no ongoing taxes on the fact that you are holding the asset. There are no repairs. There are no problem tenants where you can spend a lot of time in courts or tribunals. If you need money, you can sell a parcel of shares, but not sell off one bedroom. Brokerage on buying/selling stock is minimal for and the market generally is very liquid so you can buy/sell the same day.

Those are my reasons for holding stock. Property rings the bell for some others, mainly because there is something tangible. I've learned to avoid arguing which is best. I know which is best for me.

That's exactly how I think of it - investing is pretty personal, because only the individual knows himself/herself well enough to predict what types of situations will bring out the best of them, or perhaps suffer b/c of their own defects/struggles.

Also the boilerplate advice that, say, Ramsey and financial consultants give out, I always remind myself that they tend to stick with the advice they can give out to very many clients across the board, with slight customizations only.........Thus, they may never recommend something that would work perfectly for YOU, only b/c it wouldn't be "safe" enough to add to their repertoire of things-they-recommend.
Example: a friend of mine regularly (has done this 15+ times), takes out a HELOC and actually leverages it to loan money to real estate flippers in his local city's Real Estate Investment Association. He does his homework, knows the game, and has never failed to turn a profit - Usually, a much bigger return than the market would give.
However, I doubt you'll find many financial consultants ever recommending that people leverage their HELOC! But it works great for my friend. It also satisfies his sense of excitement, brings him unquantifiable happiness to boot.

I have this fear that "Well, after all, there ARE generations on occasion that lose big in the stock market - and if it happens at just the right time, there may be no recovery in time to benefit that generation's life" - so while I realize the market is typically good, and comes back even after worrisome times, Yet, I know myself, and I will constantly be worrying that "Is this finally it? Has our country's politics, or world wars, finally gotten to the point where the stock market will be trashed and some massive paradigm change in currency or economy will make my stock moot?" ... Might be a small chance, but I'm a worry wart.

I like the tangible real estate, and I kind of like the "double"-benefits - the off-label benefits, so to speak, like when I am old, if my children are going through a rough patch in life, it may be a place for them to stay, or, it may be a winter home for us (in AZ) if we live in a cooler place, or whatever.

Of course, real estate is not divinely guaranteed either, but somehow I like the idea of a tenant paying my mortgage and after that point, even if real estate goes substantially down, I have an asset that is VERY unlikely to become "worthless"....in my personal feeling, less likely than could happen to stocks.

Many people really enjoy the stock market tho, and works great for them - I admire those who understand and work it.
 
A friend of mine specialises in student rentals. Return is good, parents pay a damage deposit, students leave every year so no issues over tenants not moving out. Wear an tear is a bit of an issue but he budgets to replace furnishings and white goods on a regular basis.

a 4 bed house will typically house 5 or 6 students with shared facilities. Additional work needs to be done in the uk for ‘multi occupancy’ properties. Don’t have a full list but soundproofing is on there

properties do need to be in a university town
 
I would never use a HELOC to get money to do this though. There is calculated risk and there is insanity. A HELOC can be called. The terms are different from standard fixed mortgages. If you don't have another source of funds to pay the HELOC, you could lose you home

I'm sure in his case he DID have money to pay the HELOC regardless. We're not talking about huge sums here, what he has done (again successfully many times), is loan maybe 70,000 at 14% interest rates and get it back in 6 months. Made a lot more than a market investment.
 
I prefer buying entire city blocks and in some cases entire cities. This allows for tons and tons of cash flow.
 
Investment properties are always mortgaged because that gives you leverage. You get to benefit from 100% of the property income but only invest 30-40% of the property value to acquire the asset

30-40%? Wow, that's rough. I found a much easier way to have a 2nd (investment) property without putting anything more than I wanted (I could have put 3.5% down, but I chose to put 10% down), and here's how: I lived in the first house, already had a mortgage. Then I moved into a different house. The move into the 'different' house only fell under the normal acquiring-a-primary-residence rules (3%-ish), and the first house I just started renting out.

Thus, the old adage that you need at least 20% down to get an investment property is not really true - my example is a great workaround, you just have to be willing to move. We are considering moving again, thus "acquiring" a 2nd rental property--the one we live in now.
 
as it turned out, we left a property that we had 2.8% interest rate on, and now renting it out at a great price (profitable). moved into another one at 5.25%, but one we liked a lot better where we fit better. only put 10% down on the one we now live in so it worked out good.

i'm never letting the 2.8% one go, too good of a rate. plus, i love the idea of someone else paying into a half million dollar asset, which it becomes around the time i turn 65. slowly acquiring real estate is a much better investment strategy for me personally than investing in the market, i'm too nervous and also too emotional of an investor
 

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